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post #31 of 55
Oh, this one, you could tell right away. Just had that "air" about him. Phenomenal instructor, too. But highly professional, and does not give off any indication that he is available. Other female instructors have confirmed this. Some people are delusional, though!

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence
post #32 of 55
Dear Abby:

Sigh........ I've had no such luck!

But it would be nice to be flattered on occasion! .... kidding of course .... "married with children"

BTW new hires get the Pennsylvania minimum wage of $6.10 per hour..... I was being a bit sarcastic with the $1.25 comment. But, you are only paid for time teaching on the snow. Mandatory clinics etc... are on our time.
post #33 of 55
Even when I was working a Breckenridge, I didn't get hit on much at all (maybe I'm just ugly as a mud fence?). Almost all of my dates were local girls.
post #34 of 55
One of the most interesting moments I ever had teaching was during a level-1 group lesson consisting of six women. In the get-to-know-you segment, I asked everyone to say their names and what profession they were in. Two of the women (one tall and blond, one shorter and brunette, both very pretty and around 22) started giggling. When their turns came, the brunette said, "I'm Mandie; she's Brandie. We're exotic dancers from Houston." When we got to wedge speed-control drills, Mandie never seemed to be able to slow very well and had this habit of skiing straight into me and wrapping her arms around me, giggling. (No, these ladies were not rocket scientists.) In the midst of one embrace, she leans near my ear and says, "Do you know anyplace we can have a good time tonight?" True story.
post #35 of 55
Mike, what did you answer?
YUKI, and JOHNH, I'm sure the girls have thought about it. Perhaps they had too much respect for you.

Seriously speaking, you don't want to be on the recieving end of that kind of obssesive energy. Without "going there", that kind of stuff can get pretty scary.

I think any sort of movement/ sport instruction is inherintly "sexy". Maybe even more so for ski instruction, because involves some "danger", breaking out of your comfort zone, etc.

So stipulated, So what? Anyone who cannot get beyond that level is probably not going to learn much. Just my opinion.

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence

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post #36 of 55
It's the concept of giving back.

So, if you feel that you've really learned something, and your skiing took a big step forward, flip out the Dead Presidents. Giving money away is a good thing. The more you give, the more you get back - just remember that.

Why put a formula on it? You know, if you've got the cashola, giving someone a hundred or two, what's the big deal? And, look how much good you've done, how happy you've made someone feel. A hundred bucks means a lot to a ski instructor, struggling to pay bills.

And, Bill Daniels (Denver native, cable pioneer, a mentor) said it best. "There are no luggage racks on the hearst".<FONT size="1">

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post #37 of 55
mike m,

A good friend of mine, also an instructor, used to be a dive master/instructor, and had a class of exotic dancers in a dive class once. He may have even had a Mandy and Brandi, but I don't remember. I think he said there were about 8 of them though. However, in the class he had, they weren't wearing ski clothes, they were wearing thongs! ***shutter***
post #38 of 55
Handing out instructor assignments, you hear it all...typically for someone "male" or "female" "speaks spanish" always for someone "patient"! You would be suprised how many "looks good in stretch pants..." and "my kid is a raging, ritalin brat...I want a nazi" type requests you get. I have been asked for if we had any "gay" instructors.
post #39 of 55
Looks good in stretch pants? Asking for a Gay instructor??????

What are do they think they are hiring the instructor for?

IMHO, nothing is sexier than competance.

And regarding that $50 tip and condo key, I would be offended if someone thought that I was only worth 50 bucks!

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence
post #40 of 55
The topic of tipping came up one day and one of our savy full time women shared the key to her success.

She says that she uses the word "tip" at least eight times per lesson to plant the idea.

As she gestures with her hands to illustrate edging....... "tip your skis this way"

She claims that it works wonders. I'm glad that I don't do this for the money. I feel bad about the high schoolers and college kids who can actually use the money.
post #41 of 55
Tipping is not part of the New Zealand culture, not even for food, drinks and taxis. You just pay exactly what is stated, tax is always included in the price. If you hand over a tip in a tourist resort, it will be kept, but elsewhere they will give it back to you as change. Our levels of service in NZ are not that great, maybe it's because they get paid regardless of tips.

NZ'ers would never consider tipping a ski instructor. If you have any students from down under, don't be offended if they don't tip, it definitely would not have occurred to them. We have trouble remembering to add a tip onto the food bill.
post #42 of 55
Thread Starter 
well, that is good to know, twoKiwis...my dream vaca is to go heli-skiing in NZ...I swear ill make it there someday....when i find some time.

JohnH, I was in my office at work when i read your post, Id never heard that "ugly as a mud fence" expression before, I laughed so hard people were walking by looking at me funny...Thats one Ill be using alot!!! Im sure, however, that you are not...and you are being modest.

SCSA,$100 a lesson? wow. considering how many lessons a year I take, thats a little much, although if I COULD do it, I wouldn't hesitate. a good lesson is DEFINITELY worth it, and then some.

I will definitly find some way to make it up to ski pro...(and it will have NOTHING to do with a condo key, dont get any ideas!) ive certainly learned my lesson about tipping.
post #43 of 55
Yuki, I love the subliminal gesture! Kinda like the old ski pole pictionary in the snow diagram. Explaining comparative descent rates by drawing two linked round turns, followed by linked 11's straight down the middle. Of course that one is kinda obvious.
Twokiwis, interesting insight into kiwi behavior, never saw that on the croc hunter! "Tipping is not a city in China" either!
post #44 of 55
The croc hunter is an Aussie - big difference to those of us down under. We don't have any crocodiles either, NZ is a very safe country to roam about in. Until the early settlers arrived the only wildife here was birds, there were no mammals. No dangerous creatures here (except humans), definitely the perfect place for that dream holiday.
post #45 of 55
Thread Starter 
I hear they have really cool penguins....
post #46 of 55
LindaA- Sorry so late just can not keep up with all these threads. As for the Norm tipping at Attitash it is all over the map. Some good advice already given and that is tip based on the result. If it exceeded your expectation then how much is that worth to you. More importantly I think the gesture itself gives the coach some positive feedback, but that is not the only way to do it. Be active in your lesson, help the coach give you what you need. As for letters to mangement they most always do work there way around and are very helpful. There is still nothing better than the written word to get results with mangement. As a trainer at Attitash I am also very happy to hear your feedback, we have a dedicated and enthusiastic staff that is always striving to improve and that we are very proud of! You picked 2 good ones in Doug and Merv and I will be sure to mention to there boss the kind words you had to say about there performance. Thanks for the comments and I look forward to seeing you at Attitash next year! todo
post #47 of 55
JohnH- having taught at Breck myself and dated some locals any date was a good date with a 6 to 1 male to female ratio! Actually married one and moved back East!
post #48 of 55

In your best West Virgina accent, repeat after me...

"That boy's uglier 'n a mud fence and dumb as a box of hammers."

I don't remember where I first heard it, but I know I had the same reaction to it that you did.
post #49 of 55
Twokiwis, just kiddin'...I know the difference. Commonwealther, not a yank, remember!
post #50 of 55
Thread Starter 
FANTASTIC Todo...I hope a little public recognition makes up for stiffing the poor guys...they were really great.

Love attitash...I learned there, my kids learned there, nice small mtn feel with big mtn amenities.....excellent school...need more empahsis on rec racing programs, though.

JohnH...ive used the mud fence phrase like four times today already!! now ive gotta go try the box of hammers one...is a west virginia accent the one you use to say the phrase, "bout nervous as a long-tail cat in a room fulla rockin' chairs?"
post #51 of 55

Yeah, just flash back to Hee Haw, Green Acres or the Dukes of Hazzard.
post #52 of 55
I didn't think you were that old. It doesn't sound like LindaA is that old either. Hee Haw and Dukes?
post #53 of 55

My 27yo brother in law's favorite show was DOH (Doh!?). That was on in the 80's. How old do you think I am??? I remember watching Green Acres (didn't Petticoat Junction come on right after GA?), but not HeeHaw. I was just a kid, but I remember it.
post #54 of 55
Doh! that about somes it up. It just seems so long ago and far away... ...

Har har har. I tell you.. try to pay someone a compliment and they wonder...

post #55 of 55
Thread Starter 
ARe you kidding! DOH was my FAVORITE show...of course i remember all those shows too...uh oh. I think i might be getting OLD.

your only as old as you feel...so that makes me like, 90 today.
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