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Stowe - Does anyone bothering turning???

post #1 of 15
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Was down at STowe last Friday and Saturday, okay conditions given the time of the year.

Now, I realize that everyone is raring to go this time of year, and there is not much terrain open, but skiing Stowe on Saturday was absolutely insane. Most people simply pointed their skis/boards straight down the hill in a mad rush to get back in the lift line. I was playing on the side of the trails, skiing fairly slowly, just getting my legs/balance back, and almost got knocked down 4 times. The only way to survive was to ski at Mach 2 and forget about turning. At one point I stopped at a pitch and looked back at the skiers coming down. I counted through 20 of them and there were a grand total of 9 turns done by them combined over a stretch of trail about 200 yards long. It is not just the gapers doing this; I saw a number of good skiers skiing down the blues at full racing speed, ignoring little kids and less accomplished skier's in their wake. It does freak a little kid out when a skier goes by very close to them going 40 MPH.

My G/F is a good skier, and she was simply too freaked out and scared for her safety to keep skiing in the PM, so we loaded up the jeep and left.

Is it always that crazy at Stowe? I haven't been there in years, and never on a weekend, but that was the most bizarre thing I have ever seen. It was like everyone was hell bent on being "first" down the hill. I can't blame the patrollers, there was no way they could have talked to everyone at the hill and controlled it. (Unless of course this is considered acceptable at STowe).

No problem if good skiers go fast down advanced trails, but to see intermediate runs turn into an Indy Car race is a first for me.
post #2 of 15
Early season, not enough runs and good skiers show up ready to go fast. There just isn't enough room so fast skiers wind up coming too close.

When more trails open this problem will lessen. This is an early season concern, and Stowe is no worse than others. I don't blame you for being nervous. Try again when more is open
post #3 of 15
I've been to Stowe during early-season weekends a couple times over the years. I don't recall Stowe being any better or worse then any other big-name mountains when it comes to early-season skier behavior. Sounds like you just caught the place on a bad day. Give it another try when they have some more terrain open.
post #4 of 15
You were trying to drive 10 mph on the freeway during rush hour, drunk.
post #5 of 15
First, I'm jealous that you're skiing while out in Washington we're getting nothing but rain, rain, rain.

Second, is it really that crowded? I feel like I've seen some crowded conditions on some runs in Washington - early season when ski schools are out, for instance - but sometimes the way people describe big east coast resorts I get a mental picture that looks like pinball game with multi-ball going.
post #6 of 15
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Originally Posted by sdstarr View Post
but sometimes the way people describe big east coast resorts I get a mental picture that looks like pinball game with multi-ball going.
The most crowded runs are DEFINITELY like this. Their are less runs to ski in The East!
post #7 of 15
Turning is admitting defeat!
post #8 of 15
Where's Chaos for some wisdom ...

Wasn't bad down at Stratton. Then again I'm a moderately fast skier. But I agree this is a major detriment to people. Sounds like there were too many on the same slopes of varying abilities. When the front 4 aren't open everyone must hit the blues on the other side. Maybe head over to Spruce next time
post #9 of 15
Its not just where you are...
I got hit HARD Sunday for the first time..
I have been skiing since the mid 70's and have never been hit...
We have always taught our kids, be aware of people around you, stay in control, have manners...
When my wife and I go skiing by ourselves we are not slow pokes, but make sure we ski within our limits and be respectful of the other skiers...at the same time we still ski pretty fast, so if i am complaining about the speed you get an idea of what we were seeing...
That being said...I got blindsided by an out of control skier...on an expert run at Copper Mtn...off the Super Bee lift...
Flattened me, he hit me from behind on the left, dropped me hard on my right shoulder, he ended up in a full yard sale...
I slid down the run on my back head first for what like seemed forever, finally spun myself around and stopped...
I never ejected from my skis or lost my poles...
He never asked me if i was ok or anything...I asked him if he was ok...he said yes...at that point I felt my shoulder burning and new my day was done...
Ended up with a rotator cuff tear...
My wife and I saw many boarders and skiers going way too fast for the amount of skiers that were on the slopes...
Some of these guys were turning only a couple of times, where as we were turning several times...they were traveling at insane speeds...
My wife was furious, we have been to Copper many time and have had nothing but good times...
But what we saw this past Sunday was off the scale...
I saw kids being buzzed and scared to death...
On the other lifts we saw the ambassadors busting people left and right, passes were being pulled and some serious talking going on...
But the speeders outnumbered the rest..
I was glad they hit me, not my wife or one of my kids...
I am 240, my wife is 100lbs...kids all around 120- 150lbs...
If it were one of them, it would have been very serious...very serious...
As it is..i will end up doing rehab for a while, but will still be able to ski...hopefully...will find out next Tuesday..went to the family Dr...got referred to the Ortho Dr...MRI pending...hopefully its a small tear, I can still move my arm but not full motion...i already know the rehab exercises from weight lifting...so I can deal with that...
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Turning is admitting defeat!
ahh, you beat me to it. i have a t-shirt from powder mountain "to turn is to admit defeat!!"

it's getting better: more trails will open every weekend and the crowds will get smaller on the trails and longer in the lift lines!! it's been a great beginning of the year .
post #11 of 15
There's a time and a place for everything. You can't put the hammer down on a crowded slope on the weekend. Safest place to be is probably an icy bump run on a day like that, but understand that's not everybody's preference. Reminds me of the situation we have on our local Rails to Trails asphalted trail network in the town where I reside. We get a good number of cyclists trying to get their speed workout in on Saturday mornings when the trial is clogged with mothers with strollers, kids on big wheels, and the family dog on a lease. It just doesn't work.

I hope your shoulder heals. If I get hurt skiing I want it to be my mistake not an out of control skier infringing on everybody else's health and enjoyment.
post #12 of 15
Thanks for the well wishes...
The shoulder will heal...
I am too stubborn to not do the therapy..
The thought of not skiing the rest of the season is a high motivator...
post #13 of 15
I was at Keystone midweek last week. There were only two ways down. One marked slow and the other not. On the blue unmarked trail it was pretty crowded with everyone going fast. At a narrow section where everyone was forced to crowd together a group of "racers" all wearing matching blue, white and red jackets with "France" on them buzzed through everyone in a full race tuck. Next run we went the other "slow" way. 2/3 of the way down this same group was pulled over by the yellow jacket patrol being given a thrashing about skiing fast on that run. I'm thinking great. When I pulled into the maze I saw one of the yellow jackets who had stopped the French team and told him what I had seen on the other run. He said they can't ski fast on the slow marked trail but can do whatever they want on the other trail. Makes no sense to me.
post #14 of 15
rspacher - I feel for you. I tore my rotator cuff at the end of last season during a race practice. I've been doing rehab all summer and am not yet close to full strength. I rode the bikes all summer and fall without too many problems. I just could not pull up on the bars to jump or get over logs.

So far this season I've been out 2 days without major problems, just pain that can be tolerated for the sport I love.

I did ski some last season after the injury, but could not move my left arm enough to use poles. I also skied really slow for the fear of falling again doing more damage.

Good luck and I wish you a good recovery. Just be patient. My doc tells me a year before getting close to full strength is common. I should add that I have not had any cortisone shots or surgery, but am considering both. (surgery will wait till spring of course. ) [/hijack]
post #15 of 15
Emtnate...
Thanks for the well wishes and reply...
I have an appointment at the ortho Dr next week...
They will tell me what the severity is...
What ever ends being found I will give it 100%...
I have had to rehab muscles before due to years and years of weight lifting...
It just makes me shiver to think if it would have been my wife or one of my kids...
I am 240 they are half that...it would have been very very bad...
Have a great ski season...
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