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post #1 of 10
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I wonder if these ski companies realize how much money these people spend in the cafeterias, shops, etc. It would also be interesting to see how many people will return to Breck's Prime Time Ski Camp. Or perhaps this is just a way to keep a younger, hipper image on the mountain.
post #2 of 10
Vail bending people over again, go figure.
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Originally Posted by SkiNebraski View Post
Vail bending people over again, go figure.
acroynm: BOHICA


Regarding the articles...
Direct comment from someone involved with the Copper Mtn OHG would be useful as it appears their particular business model is working fine using Copper Mtn ski and ride instructor crews.

Nevertheless, did the OHG at Vail resorts enjoy special lift line privilege [as does Copper OHG] while wearing their colors? And as for A-Basin’s Hierholzer accepting the displaced OHG group; AB has had OHG as well as a number of other social clubs brown bagging for years. Do they have special lift privilege wearing club colors

I would think a clearly organized profit group who is witnessed enjoying a special class of service will devalue a hills formal ski school program(s) and therefore is subject to change.
post #4 of 10
Wow talk about being picky. Honestly in these economic times they have nothing better to worry about???

How many people really go to Vail to learn to ski??? Talk about a waste of money. Go hit some cheaper ski areas and learn.

Crap like this just keeps that "yuppie image" that Vail gets by many people around the world.


But Vail is Vail and its one hell of great ski area even with what they've become. But becoming that has allowed them to make the resort what it is today.
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That is the most ridiculous attempt to monopolize a service I have ever heard. So, If I go skiing at Breck with a couple of buddies (or my kids) and am overheard giving a few pointers or am seen showing them a simple drill will we get our tickets jerked?
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Nice , Lisa...send them here...
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That is the most ridiculous attempt to monopolize a service I have ever heard. So, If I go skiing at Breck with a couple of buddies (or my kids) and am overheard giving a few pointers or am seen showing them a simple drill will we get our tickets jerked?
No. [But that sure was the longest leap to conclusion I have seen in some time ]

While I’m normally not one to side with Vail I would agree with their concerns as well as defend the authority to conduct their business and interests as they see fit. Some surface information was provided in the summit article embedded in LM's post:

“We reached a point where it wasn’t working on our end,” Campbell said. “Over time, the historically informal program [OHG] has grown … We saw more of a divergence from how we handle other groups.”

Large organizations like the National Brotherhood of Skiers and the Florida Ski Council also frequent Keystone but use resort staff, including ski instructors and guest services, to assist with their programming, Campbell explained.

“The Over-the-Hill Gang is a for-profit operation, and they want to conduct their activities on the mountain for free,” she said.

In particular, officials with the ski company suggest that the Over-the-Hill Gang guides take away business from the ski schools at the resorts.

The last two sentences capture the essence of what is going on and I read nothing from the OHG that addresses the free ride they've had. And as a for-profit organization they are well recognized by uniform and enjoy whatever the collective group status brings at Vail; real or perceived.

Yes while nostalgically sad, it was inevitable this OHG was targeted for compliance with the Keystone or Copper model.
post #8 of 10
If you want to participate in the Copper OHG program, I believe it a couple of hundred dollars a year to participate. Copper employs an administrator of the program and the guides are volunteers.

I don't know if Copper makes money on the program, but people have to pay Copper to participate.

No, crgildart, if you give your buddies a couple of pointers, you won't get your pass pulled. Your group is not an organized for profit organization that offers guided skiing to anyone who pays to belong. The OHG is an organized program where people pay OHG, not Vail, to belong to the organization and to participate in the guided groups.

I can see Vail's point on this one.
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post
That is the most ridiculous attempt to monopolize a service I have ever heard. So, If I go skiing at Breck with a couple of buddies (or my kids) and am overheard giving a few pointers or am seen showing them a simple drill will we get our tickets jerked?
There are good answers in Skier 31 and Don Denver's posts above. Here is a little more to consider.

It's not illegal for you to give pointers or guide folks around any mountain, but if you aren't employed there and TAKE MONEY for doing so.....that changes things.

I would suspect a money exchange such as the one noted above would put Vail Resorts and other ski areas in a jam that use US Forest Service land to operate on. The Forest Service collects a small tax on services from the areas. If money is being exchanged between the student (in this case members of the OTHG) and the Instructor and the tax is not being sent to the Forest Service...........well......that's a problem.
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To my understanding there were some additional issues with the OHG folks. They wanted Vail Resorts to provide free lift tickets, preferred access to lift lines, they wanted meeting space provided at no cost.

This is second information so I am taking it with a grain of salt but my source is highly reliable so I believe there is quite a lot of truth here. OHG is for profit, they make money and they way the decided to maximize that profit was to not pay for skiing like the rest of the world does. By no means am I implying that Vail is totally in the right here. I think that there probably was a middle ground but that neither faction was willing to look at options
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