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Mounting SG skis with VIST plate - 2 questions

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I picked up some used Elan 206 SG skis. They are about 4 years old, and have a VIST plate. I want to mount some Tyrolia Freeflex bindings on them, and have a few questions

1) The VIST plates have a bar that runs from the toe plate to the heel plate. This bar appears to play the same role as the strap that is built into the Tyrolia bindings - i.e. to keep forward pressure when the ski bends. Should I remove the bar from the VIST plate? Would it matter at all to the flex of the ski? I notice that plates in later years dont have the center bar.

2) There are some holes drilled in the toe plates that I cannot use (they are a hair too wide for the Tyrolia toe pieces). If I mount the toes ahead of the holes, the boot center will be about 3.5 cm in front of the mark on the ski. if I mount the toes behind the holes, the boot center will be about 0.5 cm ahead of the mark. I am worried that these skis are a tad long for the courses I will be running. Should I go for the more forward mounting position to make the skis turnier, or is that too far forward? Is it worth remounting the plates themselves?

Thanks for your help.

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My son and daughter were both racing on Elan from 2002-4. As I recall, that plate with the the open space and the aluminium joining bar was used for lighter racers. My daughter was a J3 and her skis were all set up that way. My son's had the more beefy plate. I'm assuming these are the plates made by VIST for distribution by Elan...with the greenish aluminium? I also can't remember the stand height, but I think it was a bit less with that plate. Maybe 14mm?

Back then Elan did not have their deal to private label Tyrolia, and the skis were all mounted with either Marker or Salomon. My guess is that yours are drilled for one or the other.

I don't think that you can do this with your model plate, but on the other plates, you could actually swap the metal pieces, directionally by removing the set screws. You could spin them around so that the back of the front plate became the front, and redrill.

Normally I would say redrill in the right place, try a helicoil, and go with it. I think that you'll find that removing the plate is going to be tough, as I assume that it had the adhesive backing, which doesn't want to let go. It's quite a bit of clean up, to say the least.

However, here's my suggestion. Mount them behind the holes, in the 0.5cm ahead position, or if you can, even a full cm forward. Mount the bindings without removing the center strip of the plate. Try them out. If they don't feel right, then I guess I'd try plan B, the helicoil. And Plan C would be to get the heat gun out and remove the plates, without bending them.

I don't think that the center strip will have any impact on how the ski or the binding function.

My son, as I recall {and I recall it because he had to do a lot of fiddling, and had at one point about a half dozen spare plates shipped home by mistake}, skied all of his Elan speed skis well ahead of center, or they just wouldn't turn and track right. I think they ended up being at least 1cm ahead...and I think a touch more. Maybe 1.5cm on average.....certainly not 3.5cm. I think you'll want them mounted forward, for sure. I wouldn't put this ski in the real "turny" category of SG skis. If I recall, the basic dimensions for all of their speed skis 205-215 were the same. The mounting will help.

Good luck with the skis. He had a couple of pairs that ran pretty well, and 2-3 that, well, "did not." I hope that you have a good pair. As I recall {again, from a ton of work on Elan's part}, his skis ran fastest with much more of an open linear grind than one would expect, as well. Looked to me like a real open "wet" grind, but it was fastest in all conditions.

In the end, around that time, there were some very fast Elan speed skis in the country. The rep worked real hard to make a bunch of them that way. Lots of experimenting. Good luck with them. Have fun.
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FWIW, if you decide to remove and replace the Vist plate, one easy way to make that adhesive let go is to heat it up. Just in hotboxing my skis, the adhesive softened up enough to ooze out....though I didnt remove my plate, I would imagine that it would be greatly facilitated under such circumstances.
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It is. Heat helps a ton. You can also use putty knives, butter knives, etc. to work underneath the plate but it's tedious. Then you can frustrated and end up bending the plate, particularly if this is the plate that I think it is. Pretty strong adhesive in my experience, and the heat helps. It's still a messy clean up. I've used 3M brand adhesive remover for the cleanup. I had mentioned a heat gun, but RR's post is much more clear.
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Interesting point on the mounting position Muleski. I found on the Elan GS ski I moved it over an inch forward to get it to work better for me as well. I didn't move the plate, just moved the binding forward on the plate. I usually mount a bit forward as I have a very small boot size but this was much further forward than usual. as it was an Atomic binding it let me play about quite a bit with a couple of sets of mounting holes
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When my son and the US race rep were doing this, my son's coach was pretty convinced that Elan had no idea what the mounting point should be as they tried everything. However, the rep {Daniel Gustafson, who went on to run Elan race worldwide} was close by, and they did a TON of fiddling and testing to get it right. It may have been 2cm+, but it was a lot, and they didn't move the plates, either. They did go through a bunch of them, though!

I also remember that those particular skis were not a real SG ski. They had a DH sidecut and were almost identical to the 215 DH. That may have added to the relative difficulty in turning them, too. I do remember that he moved to Atomic after a couple of years and was blown away by how easily their SG skis turned. That was when Atomic began putting quite a bit of sidecut into their skis. He tested Fischer, Atomic, and maybe Dynastar? and it was a bit of an ah-hah moment.

As I mentioned, some of those Elan speed skis were VERY fast skis, though. The ones that made it to the team guys on them, and the top juniors worked well...after a lot of work. I also remember that the skis seemed to keep getting faster for a very long time, as if they required more skiing in than some others. And lastly, the open linear grind {can't remember the exact specifics} was really fast even here in the East, though convention would tell you "no way" by looking at it. Last but not least, they looked very cool. If Richr has a good pair, they'll be very good.
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