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Help me pick out some skis, please

post #1 of 17
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I'm a bike guy and fairly new to ski equipment, but I ski aggressively (with my wife leading the way like the racer that she once was).

I'm 6' tall and 210 lbs. I ski in the Northeast, mostly Killington, Mt. Snow (and a little bit in Wyndham and Camelback). Once a year I take a week-long trip out west (Utah or Colorado). Ideally, my skis would be for the northeast skiing. I'd bring them out west, but would be open to using/demo'ing something else out there if mine Northeast skis were inadequate.

All of that being said...

I've demo'd/used a few different skis so far.

Nordica Mach 3 (not power) in 170cm. I used them in Utah last year in perfect powder conditions. I thought that they were fantastic, but questioned them on ice. I thought that the Power version would be better.

Volk Tigershark 12 (with the powerswitch). I used them in Killington on an icy day and really wasn't impressed at all. I felt like they didn't hold an edge.

Rossignol B2's. My father-in-law's skis. They handled well and were very easy to ski. I used them in Utah and at Killington. I felt like they were a little bland and not quick-enough edge to edge.

Elan skis. I don't remember what model (they were green with a wave on them). They didn't impress me either. They were just ok.

Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous in 170cm. I tried them at Killington and thought that they were very nice and solid, but not quick-enough edge to edge (the Mach 3's spoiled me).

So now I'm torn... I think that Nordica Mach 3 Power's would be my best bet. I don't know what to try in Atomic or if there's something else I should be looking at. I'm having major commitment issues with this.

My wife just commented about how funny it is that I can't decide on skis, but always had long-term girlfriends and got married without any issues. I told her that picking the right skis is a VERY important decision, not to be taken lightly.
post #2 of 17
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My wife just commented about how funny it is that I can't decide on skis, but always had long-term girlfriends and got married without any issues. I told her that picking the right skis is a VERY important decision, not to be taken lightly.
Truer words have never been spoken.
post #3 of 17
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post #4 of 17
From your descriptions of your demos, it sounds as if you liked the Nitrous best of all the skis except for the edge to edge part. This is just the price you pay for the versatility of a mid fat. The Mach 3 is a very similar build to the Nitrous and IMO holds better so your caveat there mystifies me a bit. Also you say that you didn't think that the TS 12 had good edge grip and that is one it's stronger suits so again, that's a little confusing.

IAC and IME, the Mach 3 power is as grippy a ski as is available outside of the race category. It is the same width as the regular Mach 3 Carbon, so the edge to edge part will be the same. It sounds as if you've found your ski.

SJ
post #5 of 17
Two possible reasons for not liking the edgehold on the 12-foot: poor tune or too much rotational flex in that wide a ski.

Solution: try Racetigers.

The Mach 3 Power sounds like your best bet though.
If you think you can only afford one ski for deep and cord, buy the Powers and some cheap Volants on Ebay for deep snow out west.
post #6 of 17
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Volk Tigershark 12 (with the powerswitch). I used them in Killington on an icy day and really wasn't impressed at all. I felt like they didn't hold an edge.
Que? No edge? odd... mine tear apart everything you put them in. Great crud busting/frontside ripping skis. You may need to give them another shot.
post #7 of 17
I ski TS12 and demo'd few skies before buying them ... the edge hold is nothing but ooutstanding. My friend made the same comment about TS12 being chatty and not enough edge ... he was skiing in a back seat. Once adjusted skis came to life and he was raving how well they are holding and how easy it is to ski them. TS12 are stiff and not very forgiving. Depending on your skiing style they might be a wrong ki fo you.
post #8 of 17
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My wife just commented about how funny it is that I can't decide on skis, but always had long-term girlfriends and got married without any issues.

Huh. When I got married I had to get rid of all my long term girlfriends - it seems that they were an "issue". Be thankful that your wife is so open minded.
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all of your help. I guess I'll have to give the TS12's another chance before pulling the trigger or find the Mach 3 Power's on a massive sale.

As for the Volants for outwest? Why? (not being a jerk, just totally ignorant). Any particular model I should look for?

Just to put everything in perspective, I'm currently on old, hand-me-downs Rossignol Viper 9.9's in a 170cm.

And as for the long-term girlfriends... unfortunatly (or more like thankfully!) I didn't get to keep them once I got married.
post #10 of 17
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Originally Posted by msinfo_us View Post
I ski TS12 and demo'd few skies before buying them ... the edge hold is nothing but ooutstanding. My friend made the same comment about TS12 being chatty and not enough edge ... he was skiing in a back seat. Once adjusted skis came to life and he was raving how well they are holding and how easy it is to ski them. TS12 are stiff and not very forgiving. Depending on your skiing style they might be a wrong ki fo you.
I ski that way too often also. They also felt like I "over-rated" them, probably for the same reason. I'll have to try them when I'm more "on the ball" and see what happens.
post #11 of 17
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Thanks for all of your help. I guess I'll have to give the TS12's another chance before pulling the trigger or find the Mach 3 Power's on a massive sale.

As for the Volants for outwest? Why? (not being a jerk, just totally ignorant). Any particular model I should look for?

Just to put everything in perspective, I'm currently on old, hand-me-downs Rossignol Viper 9.9's in a 170cm.

And as for the long-term girlfriends... unfortunatly (or more like thankfully!) I didn't get to keep them once I got married.
Volants can be had cheap on ebay, and they work well enough.

I have some skinny old Machete Gs and they work fine in about a foot of fresh (most we've been able to get out this way). You probably want something fatter.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/volant-spatula-fat-powder-skis-salomon-997-bindings_W0QQitemZ180312370652QQcmdZViewItemQQptZS kiing?hash=item180312370652&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_ trkparms=72%3A1215|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A131 8


http://cgi.ebay.ca/VOLANT-Chubb-Fat-Powder-Skis-170-CM-Salomon-Bindings_W0QQitemZ220327935458QQcmdZViewItemQQptZS kiing?hash=item220327935458&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_ trkparms=72%3A1215|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A131 8
post #12 of 17
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I ski that way too often also. They also felt like I "over-rated" them, probably for the same reason. I'll have to try them when I'm more "on the ball" and see what happens.
Try the following exercise. It helped my friend and I hope it can help you as well. Your head, body is pointed to the middle/center of the next turn. As you are finishing the turn relax your outside ski (you can even lift it off the snow for practice) and transfer weight to your inside ski (you are on your inside/little toe edge at this time) now tip your uphill ski to big toe edge. To do so you'll have to lean your body downhill. Bingo, you've initiated a new pure curving turn and you are staying forward.
post #13 of 17
Not to muddy the waters too much more, but you might try to check out a Head Supershape if possible. The Magnums are a little wider/more stable; the 'normal' and 'speed' versions should be quicker edge-to-edge. They're very smooth, and work well at speed on hard surfaces. But if you like extremely 'energetic' skis these might not be a good fit.

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Elan skis. I don't remember what model (they were green with a wave on them). They didn't impress me either. They were just ok.
You were probably on Elan Speedwaves of some sort.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by msinfo_us View Post
Try the following exercise. It helped my friend and I hope it can help you as well. Your head, body is pointed to the middle/center of the next turn. As you are finishing the turn relax your outside ski (you can even lift it off the snow for practice) and transfer weight to your inside ski (you are on your inside/little toe edge at this time) now tip your uphill ski to big toe edge. To do so you'll have to lean your body downhill. Bingo, you've initiated a new pure curving turn and you are staying forward.
Thanks!
My problem isn't that I don't know how to do it. I just get lazy/distracted/whateveryouwanttocallit and don't always do it. When I'm on, I'm really on and pretty aggressive. When concentrating I stay on the edges and carve large radius turns and basically go as fast as I can, until I start to get out of control and then either slow down a little or turn into a large rolling snowball.
My weak points as a skier are quick turns (especially in the bumps or the woods) and inconsistency (sometimes I'm sitting back and sometimes I'm forward)
post #15 of 17
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Thanks!
My problem isn't that I don't know how to do it. I just get lazy/distracted/whateveryouwanttocallit and don't always do it. When I'm on, I'm really on and pretty aggressive. When concentrating I stay on the edges and carve large radius turns and basically go as fast as I can, until I start to get out of control and then either slow down a little or turn into a large rolling snowball.
My weak points as a skier are quick turns (especially in the bumps or the woods) and inconsistency (sometimes I'm sitting back and sometimes I'm forward)
No worries, happened to the best of us. I would recommend against TS12 in your case. I think something more forgiving would be a better choice. Just my $0.02.
post #16 of 17
The Mach 3 Carbon (non-powers) work very well on ice and hard pack. I live in in the mid-west and ski them on a regular basis. I owned the Mach 3 powers as well, I sold them! The non-powers offer similar edge hold to the powers and are much quicker edge to edge, not the mention the deep snow versatility. The powers were worthless in my opinion on anything other than ice and hard pack. Nordica doesn't offer the Mach 3 cabon any longer but I've seen some in the clearance rack at some local shops. I'm 225lbs and ski this in 170cm, works great!
post #17 of 17
I've got a brand new pair of Dynastar Contact 4x4's in 178cm's for sale that would be perfect for skiing the East in all conditions.
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