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195 Superbros or 188 Scot Schmidt

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
I'm 6'2" 275 lbs so I have no problem flexing a ski.

I ski East Coast and this would be my crud, cream cheese, blast thru the mashed potatos ski that can still carve well on the ice.....I mean groomers.


If anyone has skied both, I'm curious as to which one is stiffer.
post #2 of 28
While I don't think you could go wrong with either ski, I think you could stand to lay off of the creme cheese.

Oh, and the new SS is certainly a burly beast, but I suspect the Super BRO would be a better Ice Coast ski.
post #3 of 28
I have skied both....I was not blown away by the super (or the 188 skiff) as an east coaster ski. I would go SS or even in your case the 201 DP stockli!
post #4 of 28
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Originally Posted by iriponsnow View Post
I have skied both....I was not blown away by the super (or the 188 skiff) as an east coaster ski. I would go SS or even in your case the 201 DP stockli!
Well, I certainly defer to IROS.
post #5 of 28
The 188 Stormrider is one of my favorite groomer skis. I own the 195 BROs, and will ski them today. From what I hear from other people who have ridden them, they are the shizzle. I'm sure they are a ice coaster's dream, but I think they are big mountain. Maybe, more for Iceface than Camelback.
post #6 of 28
Check your PM..have I got a deal for you
post #7 of 28
Thread Starter 
Phil, thanks for the offer!


I should have mentioned, I'm looking at last years SS with the 89mm waist not the new ss pro with the 101mm waiste.


I ski Hunter and Whiteface as well as VT. I don't ski PA much.
post #8 of 28
I demoed the Super Bro last year and pickup up a 07/08 188 SS Pro this fall as my hard snow ski. Unfortunately I have not been on the 188 SS Pro yet. So I'm a couple week from a being able to do a complete comparison.

Me: 230#, grew up in New England. Ski in Tahoe now, which does occasionally get some hard snow like New England.

The Super Bro is stiffer.

Super Bro: Likes to make very large fast turns. It's profile seem thin and straight. It did not seem like the tip would raise up on top of any mash potatoes or corn type snow. I did take the ski into some narrower terrain with bumps. The SuperBro was unwieldy (even compared to a 194 Legend Pro I own). Basically short turns were not the SuperBro things. Which seems like it might be an issue back east. For me the SuperBro is good for maching on groomers and wind buffed snow.

For corn, crud and mash potatoes, I would want a wider option.


188 SS Pro: The SS Pro is little softer in the shovel than under foot. I'm thinking that the softer shovel will better in crud and the occasional bumps. I might have the SS Pro out in a week or so. I'll let you know what I think.


BTW: The best ski I have been on in a while for what you want is a raceroom 05/06 194 Legend Pro. excellent hard snow edge hold and wide enough for funky snow. warning: new Legend Pro is softer.
post #9 of 28
Thread Starter 
I'm leaning toward the Scott Schmidts. They are now called XXXL which is the old SS's with the 89 waiste. The New SS Pro is 101 in the waist and I think that might be a bit much for me.

The Stockli rep told me that the shovel is a little softer this year making them a little better for what I need.

Johnny
post #10 of 28
I'd give you a helluva deal on bindings too.
post #11 of 28
Today, I skied the SuperBROs on hardpack. Sorry to disagree with iriponsnow, but these things just flat out ski better than Stormrider SS. I own both. In fact, I can sell you my used SS (50 days, typical Stockli topsheet scuffs, very good condition) for $250 shipped, or a new, never seen snow, unmounted pair of SuperBROs for $550 shipped. To me, the 195 BROs would be my ski of choice at Whiteface.
post #12 of 28
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Originally Posted by Canyons View Post
Today, I skied the SuperBROs on hardpack. Sorry to disagree with iriponsnow, but these things just flat out ski better than Stormrider SS. I own both. In fact, I can sell you my used SS (50 days, typical Stockli topsheet scuffs, very good condition) for $250 shipped, or a new, never seen snow, unmounted pair of SuperBROs for $550 shipped. To me, the 195 BROs would be my ski of choice at Whiteface.
I offered him some Hart Boss's (same ski as the SuperBro, same production line) still in the wrapper for 325.00 shipped. They are indeed a freight train.
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by johnnysdg View Post
The New SS Pro is 101 in the waist and I think that might be a bit much for me.
My local shop told me that the new SS (101mm) was not as demanding as the 89mm version it replaced. Shop owner was a little disappointed that they toned down the ski.

The extra width would nice the funkier the snow gets. You might want to ask your local rep what he thinks the difference is.
post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
I offered him some Hart Boss's (same ski as the SuperBro, same production line) still in the wrapper for 325.00 shipped. They are indeed a freight train.
You go mang. Sweet deal. He should jump on it! (although, the BRO topsheet slays the Boss
post #15 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thank for the advice. Phil, your deal rocks.

Canyons, my issue is not hardpack. I looking for the east coast crud and cream cheese buster. That is why I'm leaning toward the SS. (aka XXXL)
post #16 of 28
I'm a hundred pounds lighter than you and ski the 188 SS. I would definately go for the longer & stiffer Superbro/Hart at your size...
post #17 of 28
Thread Starter 
How will the superbors handle the heavy east coast crud?
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by Canyons View Post
Today, I skied the SuperBROs on hardpack. Sorry to disagree with iriponsnow, but these things just flat out ski better than Stormrider SS. I own both. In fact, I can sell you my used SS (50 days, typical Stockli topsheet scuffs, very good condition) for $250 shipped, or a new, never seen snow, unmounted pair of SuperBROs for $550 shipped. To me, the 195 BROs would be my ski of choice at Whiteface.
no need to be sorry, I have demo'd both, but have not owned either. Opinions are good!
post #19 of 28
Thread Starter 
I know the superbros are great on hardpack. Still looking for opinions about crud.
post #20 of 28
I just had my first real day on my 188 SS Pros, skiing groomers at Whistler. I haven't skied the 195 Bros so I can't compare, but I can give you a bit of info on the SS Pros.

They basically feel like a GS ski, pretty much exactly. There's little edge-to-edge sluggishness and I found them grippy and stable. The the softer tip makes them initiate nicely, and the stiff midbody and tail get you through the turn with power. They didn't seem to have much less of a speed limit than my 185 Volkl race stock GS skis.

The downside to them is that they don't seem like the most versatile, really preferring bigger turns. Skiing smaller turns when the hills got crowded was a challenge. I can see bumps being a handful.

I'm 5'8" 170 lbs with a racing background. At your size, you may find them more versatile. I doubt they would be lacking oomph.
post #21 of 28
Just to specify, my SS Pros are the older 89 waist model.
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
I offered him some Hart Boss's (same ski as the SuperBro, same production line) still in the wrapper for 325.00 shipped. They are indeed a freight train.
I ski on the hart boss and for the description of conditions your skiing on the Fuile boss would be unmatched!!Funny thig what you said about a frieght Train Phill I use that saying to describe these also. They are increadably Fast and stable at VERY VERY high speeds in anything from crude to beat up powder to groomers I have NEVER been past! For the posters size and hight I would HIGHLY recomend the Fulie Boss in 185 or longer.Im a big boy also been skiing for 40 years and have never had a ski ski threw these type of conditions as sure and smooth as this thing does! Its a lot of ski but with your size JonnySTG you will LOVE IT were you are I cant say this with more surness. The deal Phil who i havent met by the way has for you is unreal in my opinion. You WONT find a better ski for less for what your looking for hands down. Skiied better DEEP powder skis but on everything else from 1ft of powder and less they FLY! Best crud buster ever made! If you dont believe me you havent skiied them. They retail for over $1000. Because hart is comming back in the last two years theres still some unreal deals like the one phill is offering you. Any way as you can tell I love mine im 6ft 225 athletic expert skiier. If your not at least an Advanced skiier these skis will be to much ski.
post #23 of 28
My husband has a pair of the Boss'. He was annoyed that I picked up a pair for him but then he skied them and fell in love!!

Whipper, much as you describe, but what surprised him the most is how they let you forget you're on a 195 ski because they handle so well.

He even skied them in the trees, not pretty, but he took them in the trees.
See TR here
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=77430
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by Canyons View Post
You go mang. Sweet deal. He should jump on it! (although, the BRO topsheet slays the Boss
That depends on what the top sheet the flavor of the month is for the Bosses. Mine have the twisted twin top sheet that is hard to beat! Shes my girl Love her green eyes!
post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
My husband has a pair of the Boss'. He was annoyed that I picked up a pair for him but then he skied them and fell in love!!

Whipper, much as you describe, but what surprised him the most is how they let you forget you're on a 195 ski because they handle so well.

He even skied them in the trees, not pretty, but he took them in the trees.
See TR here
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=77430
Ya I saw that clip on the other thread. They love to be skiied very fast. Were others are making med s turns in foot deep powder Im Making superfast Big turns. Not my first choice in Powder thats deeper than that but evry thing else they demolish litterly! Ive thought about adding a shorter more shapley ski to the quiver because every time out on these skis Im an animal! I say to my self Im just going to go for a nice little ski today and end up rippen the shreds out the moutain taking on all commers! It gets a little exausting trying to keep up the reputation you know. I only had one major spill doing mach ten on sheer Ice on morrning first run last season. Id been skiing mostly fresh pow all season then in spring we had no snow for a week and went out to warm up fist run. Well The Dad of a Olimpian free styler who I ski with was filming us comming down a section so I opened em up to probably 50+mph making big GS turn and nailed a ICE bump in the shadows I never saw at full arched over and it threw my feet out from under me dislocating my sholder when i hit!!! OUCH! I dont ski in the shadows anymore! I also Upgraded my lenses to okley G20 or 50 or somthing like that that gives me better vision in low light. These skis are ridiculasly Awsome in crud and chopped up powder. Its like your on a smooth run you can pick any line you want and they just smoothly crusie threw it at any speed you can handle because they will hold an edge when you need then to any time. I read some one say about were they had the binding placement marks were off for there likeing? I had the same issue and mounted Bal of foot center with my bindings adjustable fore and aft a bit. I prefer them prety much centered with my hudge size 13 feet. I went with a flexing binding like the Neox 16 because my big foot mounted flat effects the arch of the ski Ive found in the past. im pretty fussy when it comes to this. I slide then all the way back for powder days and leve then BSC for most crud and two day old pow days.
post #26 of 28
whipper great story!
As important as great skis, the right goggle lense :

We mounted the Boss' +2 as recommended, with some demo bindings. I think the added height of the binding adds to edge/edge, but doesn't necessarily help MrTC. It would be nice to know how he likes these using contemporary skills, but he doesn't do contemporary
post #27 of 28
Skiing in the morrning!!! I went up today Christmass after lunch for a hot choc today wish I brought my skis I just BS,ed with the owner for a couple of hours could have had time for some runs! We are expecting 50-70K winds tomorrorw with snow like right now should be an interesting day. Hey does anyone know if you can get straps for the Oakley Crowbar that fit a helmet!?? I got some Seth Morrisons but they dont fit my helmet the straps are to short. They go over but super tight. I tried them on a bunch of differant helmets and all the same. Oakley site have them for A frame but couldnt find crowbar straps?
post #28 of 28
The last pic didn't do the Hart Boss bad boys any justice. My son took this one today to get the full picture. I'm 6ft 225 these skis are beasts and Beautiful.
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