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Volkl plate pin location info???

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Any VOLKL folk out there that can explain just what the movable pin on the side of their factory supplied plate does? Ski in question is a 2002 P50 F1 (the Green meanie). I don't have it in front of me here but there is 5 or 6 possible locations to insert the pin. I believe it is to change the flex pattern, but which location yields what result?

Anyone
post #2 of 18
Always had mine at the very back, IIRC, will check.

Had one in the middle, hated it, the tail just didn't seem responsive.

Doesn't it take something weird like a 2 or 3mm Allen?

Be very, very, careful inserting it. It is extremely easy to misthread, to ovalize, mangle in random fashion, overtorque, or just plain leave not tight enough. Not something I would move every day.
post #3 of 18
It keeps the plate on the track. dont **** with it, lol. there should be specific places to place it on the plate when you install it.
post #4 of 18
I don't have my skis with me here in Sudsbury, but I think mine had only three real locations, and three "fake" locations. Take a close look at those holes; I don't think they are all the same.

This seems to confirm my memory: http://cgi.cafr.ebay.ca/02-Volkl-P50... QcmdZViewItem
post #5 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
I don't have my skis with me here in Sudsbury, but I think mine had only three real locations, and three "fake" locations. Take a close look at those holes; I don't think they are all the same.

This seems to confirm my memory: http://cgi.cafr.ebay.ca/02-Volkl-P50... QcmdZViewItem

Yes, that is correct. There are only three "choices".
Now back to "which pin position yields what results"
post #6 of 18
Front = Turn location
Middle = Neutral
Back = Speed

At least that is how I remember it. This was the beginings of the Motion system. If i remember correctly the Motion carver had the pin in the middle and the later piston motions had the pin in the back. I recall always having the pin in my P50s in the back.
post #7 of 18
The pin location on the 2001/2002 were designated with letters. The forward position "C" for carving with more energy to the front of the ski for quicker turn initiation
The center position "N" for Neutral with equal amounts of energy to the front & back
The rear position "R" for Racing with more energy to the tail during the turn for maximum performance.
It sure made a difference. The only position I didn't like was the front.
Marker has in the last few years had their Motion Bdgs with the locking pin in the rear. I think that was a big mistake & they now are starting to change to the center where it should be. Just my take on it.
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by mrski00 View Post
Marker has in the last few years had their Motion Bdgs with the locking pin in the rear. I think that was a big mistake & they now are starting to change to the center where it should be. Just my take on it.
Correct me if I am wrong, but as far as I can tell all of the iPt skis from volkl are fixed in the rear. This includes all of their higher end skis, Grizzly, AC50, AC30, Tiger sharks.

The skis that have the pin in the middle are the beginner and intermediate systems that have always had the pin in the middle (the older motion carver and the new AC20 for example).
post #9 of 18
Since you have access to your skis, please remind me what the pin does exactly. I remember looking at it and figuring out that it would probably have an effect and deciding to leave it in the middle, but I can't for the life of me remember how it worked.
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
See post #7 above

And thanks guys for all the info
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post
See post #7 above

And thanks guys for all the info
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Originally Posted by mrski00 View Post
The pin location on the 2001/2002 were designated with letters. The forward position "C" for carving with more energy to the front of the ski for quicker turn initiation
The center position "N" for Neutral with equal amounts of energy to the front & back
The rear position "R" for Racing with more energy to the tail during the turn for maximum performance.
It sure made a difference. The only position I didn't like was the front.
Marker has in the last few years had their Motion Bdgs with the locking pin in the rear. I think that was a big mistake & they now are starting to change to the center where it should be. Just my take on it.
How does the C position deliver more energy to the front of the ski?

How does the R position deliver more energy to the tail of the ski?

How does the flex change with pin location?

The binding plate is on some sort of rail.
Hypothesis:
Having the point of no movement between the rail and the ski further to the front means that right under the pin the ski is stiffened a little by not being allowed to decamber as much in that spot. Where as having the pin somewhere else allows the ski and binding to slide past each other and a more deformed ski shape between ski and binding between that point and the pinned location.

Does that check out with your skis (my skis are a 4.5 hour drive from here)?
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
How does the C position deliver more energy to the front of the ski?

How does the R position deliver more energy to the tail of the ski?

How does the flex change with pin location?

The binding plate is on some sort of rail.
Hypothesis:
Having the point of no movement between the rail and the ski further to the front means that right under the pin the ski is stiffened a little by not being allowed to decamber as much in that spot. Where as having the pin somewhere else allows the ski and binding to slide past each other and a more deformed ski shape between ski and binding between that point and the pinned location.

Does that check out with your skis (my skis are a 4.5 hour drive from here)?
If it's the binding system I'm thinking of, you're looking at it wrong.
I think the binding slides onto the rail as one piece, then locks in place by this pin. Using different holes moves the entire binding to a different location on the rail/ski.
This will have the same effect as an Atomic/ESS race binding with multiple positions, or mounting a binding on a flat ski in different spots(park,all-mountain,poewder).
post #13 of 18
The pin location does not affect the location of the binding. It only changes the flex point of the ski with relation to the plate. So pin in the front, the ski behind the pin is stiffer because the plate slides back on the ski when the ski flexes. This means that the tip is softer then the tail so it engages easier, i.e. it makes the ski turn easier. The reverse happens with the pin in the back location. And with the pin in the center location the ski has a neutral flex.

The only volkl skis that you can change the binding location are some of the women's skis. On these the binding can be moved forward 1.5 cm.
post #14 of 18
Not a side view, but it's all I've got here.
post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 
Here's a few pictures of the P50 F1 Plate to help clarify....
The pins in question are socket head cap screws that take a 3mm allen.
They can go in (Lto R) the 2nd, 4th or 7th of the openings you see below
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post #16 of 18
Rossi,
Send me your bindings and I will thoroughly test out all three positions and send you a report..

edit: I think Kosackthrower has got it right.
post #17 of 18
Ghost,

Please, please, please buy these. It will solve ALL your problems:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Marker-M9-1-Raci...1%7C294%3A 50

then you can SKI on your skis.
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Ghost,

Please, please, please buy these. It will solve ALL your problems:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Marker-M9-1-Raci...1%7C294%3A 50

then you can SKI on your skis.
only problem is i'm in Canada.
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