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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Demo days at Snowshoe this weekend. Plan on demoing in Utah this January.

I am looking for a ski that would work in Mid-Atlantic conditions, on soft snow days. I would also like this ski to perform well in typical JH and LCC conditions. Must be able to do groomers, so I can ski with the Mrs.

Help me narrow it down.

Some of the skis I am interested in:
Dynastar Mythic Rider
Scott Mission
Snoop Daddy
Salomon Lord

Feel free to add your own suggestions.

Me:
Not a cruiser
Loves crappy snow, that no one else will/can ski (crud) and of course powder!
43 yo
Skied since I was 10
205 lbs
5'11ish
Level? I've skied with others that claim to be 8/10, and thought I was better. So, at least a 3/10.
2 years college racing. I'm a crappy racer though.
post #2 of 16
I hear nothing but rave reviews about the Scott Mission and those keep popping up on Tramdock. I think they'll do real well in variable snow and can still carve a nice turn on a groomer.
post #3 of 16
Your list makes sense. Another is the K2 PE / Extreme. They aren't perfect for anything but they are cheap and work well enough in just about any conditions. They even hold an edge on eastern hard pack if you keep them well tuned.
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
Yes, I've read the reviews on the Missions. I'm afraid that I won't be able to make any Tramdock deal. All the 183's are gone. One pair of the 178's left. I think the 183's would be a better one for me. I'm a bit in wonder about how a 183/92 ski with a 15.7m radius would ski. I think it would be impossible to find this ski as a demo. One of the reasons for demo is I want to take some of the guess work out of my next ski purchase.

I own some PE's. Great ski. It makes me want to be a ski designer. I want to flatten out the tail, to give it a bit more running length. Maybe give the tip a little metal to help deflect the ice boulders better.

I skied the older wood grain Snoop Daddys and liked them. There are some good deals on those floating around. I was concerned about how they would hold up being a foam core/cap ski construction. The new ones are suposed to be better per, some of the 'professional reviews'. Some of the average Joes aren't sold on the new. So...must demo! <spoken like Frankenstein>

There are a lot of the Mythics floating around cheap. It makes me want to pull the trigger on some of those. But again, must control those impulse buys. I read Sierra Jims review. He likes the 178 length. I was thinking that would be a good length for me. The Mythics have a bent tail right? I'm also wondering whether it is a great difference flat vs. the 'fluid' rail system. I'm also wondering about the weight, and whether they ski heavy. (also read the review at TGR)

I'm a little surprised no one has said IM 82's! Or Watea 84's! Maybe those are too skinny?
post #5 of 16
The Mythic Rider skis great both with and with out the fluid binding. As far as weight goes the Mythic is not that heavy at all but they are certainly stable at all speeds.

If I were looking at the Fischer series I would be checking out the Watea 94. It is a more substantial feeling ski and will certainly handle crud and powder a lot better then the 84.
post #6 of 16
I too wish the PE was available in a 185. But if you do have the 179 then maybe go for something up around 100mm so there is less overlap.
post #7 of 16
I think I mentioned this to you at Snowshoe, but the PE is hard to beat in general for what you're talking about. I skied mine Friday -- seemed like a good choice for skiing like a punk with my wife's college-age brother -- and was reminded that they come close to doing everything well. A couple lesser points would be crud (other skis are better) and bumps (those long tips add extra baggage up ahead of the contact point). But damned if they didn't rock overall, even when skiing fast on groomers.

The Watea 84 would be a great choice for soft snow, and better than the 94 if the primary focus was eastern skiing. The 94 would be a better choice for a priority on western skiing. I took both out to Alta on separate trips, and the 84 was great during a week with light snow, while the 94s were awesome during weeks when it dumped. For bumps and trees, I'd give the edge to the 84. The 94 is the better choice for everything else, even groomers (it's got a little more beef). That said, among the many chances to take the Wateas out locally in the mid-A last season, it never made sense to ski the 94, so the 84s got a lot more time on the snow.

The Head iM82 is my new favorite all-mtn ski, and it sort of bests the PE as my goto ski in that size range. I don't think anyone could go wrong with that ski if the specs matched the requirements. I'm even thinking about selling the Watea 84 once I get more time on the iM82 and see how they do in soft snow (that's really the forte of the Wateas though, and it might be too much to expect of the iM82)

I think Head will be at the demo days, but not Fischer (there's no telling if the Head rep would bring an 82mm waisted ski to Snowshoe).

On the Mythic, I would definitely go 184cm for what you're looking for. 178cm would be too short for your "level 3" skills, and would not be as versatile in powder and crud.
post #8 of 16
Thread Starter 
Yes, I really like the PE's. I'm a little concerned about how beat up mine have become, in a partial season of use. The edge tune is very important on hard snow. I ran my PE's through 2 different shops for 'professional tunes' and they still handled like doo. I finally, fixed them up myself, and they ski great again. (Props to Alpinord!)

I'm a little concerned about the 'overlap' comment. I don't know for sure, but I would think that the PE would ski a good bit different, than say the Mythic. At the risk of becoming hated by the western crowd, I would say the 100 width skis are pretty useless in WV. <maybe I'll grab BWPA's Thugs>

[skier219]On the Mythic, I would definitely go 184cm for what you're looking for. 178cm would be too short for your "level 3" skills, and would not be as versatile in powder and crud.[Skier 219]

Whenever I'm with my racing buddies, they say everything is too long. Those guys can really rip on skis in the 165-168 range. I am a good bit bigger than them though. Probably 3-4 inches taller and 30lbs+ heavier.

Last season, after 3 consecutive days of skiing Mammoth on 186 Afterburners. My legs were toast, with 4 more days, and a 'fun race' to go. The X and XX runs were getting really tough by the end of that third day. I read in one review that you might not want Mythics if you want to make short radius turns all day. I know myself, and I like to seek out really steep, difficult stuff. I don't really like to make bomber turns on those runs. I probably have a tendency to make more short and medium radius turns.

I'm still in search of the perfect carve!
post #9 of 16
I'd also suggest looking at the Heads. IM82 and 88 might be just the skis for our eastern crud. These skis will also do well on hardpack. Mojo 94 is another possibility. Getting great reviews.

I have the IM77 and it's great in crud. Also have the Watea 94, but haven't skied it yet because we don't have enough snow.

Have fun demoing!

Mike
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hmmm...184 Mythic Rider with the fluid PX14....at a reasonable price....must resist....<wrestles self to the floor, grasps trigger finger>to be continued.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by Johnnys Zoo View Post
Hmmm...184 Mythic Rider with the fluid PX14....at a reasonable price....must resist....<wrestles self to the floor, grasps trigger finger>to be continued.
Then tell me where the deal is so I can steal them out from under you! If it helps any, I'll be glad to let you look at the skis, maybe even touch them sometime.
post #12 of 16
Wellll........ski length preferences vary for sure. I find that for the Mythic, I like the 178 best. This is of course relative to that ski model. In other models, I'd possibly choose a longer ski. (Watea 84 in 184 f'rinstance)

I'm sure there are some deals still available on '08's. If not, I know a source for some '09's............

SJ
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post
Then tell me where the deal is so I can steal them out from under you! If it helps any, I'll be glad to let you look at the skis, maybe even touch them sometime.
Duuuude...wheres the love?<sound of dueling banjos> Uh, not that kind!

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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
Wellll........ski length preferences vary for sure. I find that for the Mythic, I like the 178 best. This is of course relative to that ski model. In other models, I'd possibly choose a longer ski. (Watea 84 in 184 f'rinstance)

I'm sure there are some deals still available on '08's. If not, I know a source for some '09's............

SJ
TEASER!
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by Johnnys Zoo View Post
I'm a little concerned about the 'overlap' comment. I don't know for sure, but I would think that the PE would ski a good bit different, than say the Mythic. At the risk of becoming hated by the western crowd, I would say the 100 width skis are pretty useless in WV. <maybe I'll grab BWPA's Thugs>
I would demo, the PE is a really capable ski unless you find something that really wows you or whatever it might not be worth it. I think it makes alot more sense to have a PE and (lets say)a goatama or a nordica bllower or whatever than a PE and another ski that functionally is nearly identical. Even if you grant that a gotama is mostly useless in the midatlantic. Just my $.02. Demoing skis is alot of fun.
post #15 of 16
Demo and get the fattest, stiffest ski you are comfortable with.
post #16 of 16
i got the Movement Thunder skis as my 1 ski quiver. So far I love the way they ski. They rip on hardpack and groomers and do a decent job in moguls. Haven't had too much powder but I tried them in some kind of heavy cut up snow and they just blew right through it. My only other experience was with demoing Mantras. I like these better. 6'3" 190lb I ski the 187

Heading to sugarloaf this weekend and Montana toward the end of december. hopefully they have some snow out there and I can see how they do in powder.
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