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Fischer Progressor 9 vs. Progressor 8 vs. RX8

post #1 of 18
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Me: 5'7'', 120 lbs, female
Level: 8-9
Ski: Fischer WC RC
Location: Trondheim, Norway

I am looking at getting a new ski, and need some advice.
I am a former racer, and I want a ski that is fast, but at the same time can make short turns.

I have read that the RX8 is good at small turns, almost like a SL ski, but I also got the impression that the Progressor 8 was a lot like the RX8, but much better, and also faster. How does the weight compare? Is the Progressor 8 heavy? can anyone say anything about the speed?

I am currently leaning more towards the Progressor 9, but I am worried that I am too small/light to handle it. I can handle the WC RC well, so how would this compare to that? Also, I have heard that the Progressor 9 is more like a GS ski, but it has a turning radius of 13m at 170, which is significantly less than on a GS ski. Is this ski good at moguls? I don't do moguls that much, but every now and then I find mysef doing them, and I find it difficult on GS skis.

I am almost definitely going to go for the 160 if I go for the Progressor 9, and not entirely decided between the 160 or 165 if I go for the Progressor 8 or RX 8.

I hope you can help me.
post #2 of 18
I'll provide my experience with the Progressor 9, RX8 & WC RC. My adult daughter is a little bigger than you and uses a RX9 with good results.

The Progressor 9 will be a little easier than the WC RC due to its tighter turn radius and wider width. These two can feel very similar, so a Progressor 9 might not provide much of a performance enhancement considering your skill level. I would go with the same length Progressor 9 that you would select if you were getting the WC RC again.

The RX8 in a 165cm will light & lively compared to the Progressor 9 which is one or two kilograms heavier. The current RX8 is not a racing ski, but is fun, quick and forgiving to use as a free ski.

I have not been on the Progressor 8. I would guess that it would ski much like the old RX9 which is a great ski. On paper this looks like the best in this group. Can you demo these models?

Michael
post #3 of 18
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Originally Posted by annette View Post
Me: 5'7'', 120 lbs, female
Level: 8-9
Ski: Fischer WC RC
Location: Trondheim, Norway

I am looking at getting a new ski, and need some advice.
I am a former racer, and I want a ski that is fast, but at the same time can make short turns.

I have read that the RX8 is good at small turns, almost like a SL ski, but I also got the impression that the Progressor 8 was a lot like the RX8, but much better, and also faster. How does the weight compare? Is the Progressor 8 heavy? can anyone say anything about the speed?

I am currently leaning more towards the Progressor 9, but I am worried that I am too small/light to handle it. I can handle the WC RC well, so how would this compare to that? Also, I have heard that the Progressor 9 is more like a GS ski, but it has a turning radius of 13m at 170, which is significantly less than on a GS ski. Is this ski good at moguls? I don't do moguls that much, but every now and then I find mysef doing them, and I find it difficult on GS skis.

I am almost definitely going to go for the 160 if I go for the Progressor 9, and not entirely decided between the 160 or 165 if I go for the Progressor 8 or RX 8.

I hope you can help me.
The Progressor 8+ is a little more ski than the RX8 was in terms of performance. It does GS turns with more stability and power, but still is a quick ski edge-to-edge. It feels more solid and powerful, but is very, very easy to ski. It would be an ideal ski for an instructor, and is stable up to 25mph or so. The RX8 is similar, but a little turnier and more slalom-like, and not quite as stable at speed. It also skis lighter. I like the Progressor 8+ more, as I feel it is a higher performing ski without being more demanding. Great for Level 7 to Level 8 skiers, or the less-aggressive Level 9.

The 9+ is a big step up over the 8+, and is really dialed into hard snow frontside use. I found it to be tough in bumps and with a much narrower sweet spot than the 8+, but it definitely gives back the most power and edgehold of the 3. It is a great ski, but requires at least a solid level 8 skier to get the most out of it. And, it isn't as versatile. Think of it as a slightly more forgiving and versatile race carver, not an all-mountain board.

With your weight, you may find the Progressor 9+ to be too beefy, and the 8+ to be more suitable for your weight. I am 150lbs and the Progressor 9+ was really a little too stiff for me, but the 8+ was a little soft for really fast skiing. I need a Progressor 9 minus! That is why I sold my pair eventually, as I was not getting everything out of the ski.

At your weight, you may want to check out the Speedwave 12 from Elan: a great ski for lighter skiers, just as much performance as the 8+, a little more powerful, IMO. Ski it in a 168 and you will have the best of both worlds. Also, the Dynastar 4x4 is a choice that won't likely dissapoint. You may find the Head Supershape Magnum and Nordica Mach 3 Power too stiff as well. Elan tends to make skis in various flexes for different weight skiers (82ti/SW12 for mid-weight skiers, 82Xti/SW14 for big guys)
post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
The Progressor 8+ is a little more ski than the RX8 was in terms of performance. It does GS turns with more stability and power, but still is a quick ski edge-to-edge. It feels more solid and powerful, but is very, very easy to ski. It would be an ideal ski for an instructor, and is stable up to 25mph or so. The RX8 is similar, but a little turnier and more slalom-like, and not quite as stable at speed. It also skis lighter. I like the Progressor 8+ more, as I feel it is a higher performing ski without being more demanding. Great for Level 7 to Level 8 skiers, or the less-aggressive Level 9.

The 9+ is a big step up over the 8+, and is really dialed into hard snow frontside use. I found it to be tough in bumps and with a much narrower sweet spot than the 8+, but it definitely gives back the most power and edgehold of the 3. It is a great ski, but requires at least a solid level 8 skier to get the most out of it. And, it isn't as versatile. Think of it as a slightly more forgiving and versatile race carver, not an all-mountain board.

With your weight, you may find the Progressor 9+ to be too beefy, and the 8+ to be more suitable for your weight. I am 150lbs and the Progressor 9+ was really a little too stiff for me, but the 8+ was a little soft for really fast skiing. I need a Progressor 9 minus! That is why I sold my pair eventually, as I was not getting everything out of the ski.

At your weight, you may want to check out the Speedwave 12 from Elan: a great ski for lighter skiers, just as much performance as the 8+, a little more powerful, IMO. Ski it in a 168 and you will have the best of both worlds. Also, the Dynastar 4x4 is a choice that won't likely dissapoint. You may find the Head Supershape Magnum and Nordica Mach 3 Power too stiff as well. Elan tends to make skis in various flexes for different weight skiers (82ti/SW12 for mid-weight skiers, 82Xti/SW14 for big guys)
I have the old Progressor. Last years model and i love it. Which ski does cross over to for this year? The 8 or the 9? It is heavy but i weight about 180-190 during the ski season and i have yet to feel over whelmed by this ski. I dont think my skiing does it justice but it certainly is an enjoyable ski for me.
post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by TechWorlds View Post
I have the old Progressor. Last years model and i love it. Which ski does cross over to for this year? The 8 or the 9? It is heavy but i weight about 180-190 during the ski season and i have yet to feel over whelmed by this ski. I dont think my skiing does it justice but it certainly is an enjoyable ski for me.
Last years Progressor is now the Progressor 9+.
post #6 of 18
In short, the Progressor 8 will be more versatile but you will probably have more fun on the RX8.

JMHO
post #7 of 18

RX8 vs Speedwave

I have both the RX8 and the Speedwave 12. As Dawgcatching says, the Speedwave 12 has a higher top end. I would give the RX8 a fairly high rating in a LOT of areas: ease of use, carving, skidding, moguls, various turn shape with preference toward shorter. its just a fun and easy ski.

The Speedwave is better at high speed, but then suffers in moguls and slow speed.

so part of the question might be: do you ski hard fast and aggresive all day? or ski a more moderate pace, some bumps here and there, and not at full throttle all day.

I _think_ the progressor has the flowflex binding (only four screws under the boot) for a very nice flex pattern. but it adds some weight.

also, the progresser line has slightly different radius front of ski vs back of ski (ie waist to tip vs waist to tail)

good luck
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching View Post
The Progressor 8+ is a little more ski than the RX8 was in terms of performance. It does GS turns with more stability and power, but still is a quick ski edge-to-edge. It feels more solid and powerful, but is very, very easy to ski. It would be an ideal ski for an instructor, and is stable up to 25mph or so. The RX8 is similar, but a little turnier and more slalom-like, and not quite as stable at speed. It also skis lighter. I like the Progressor 8+ more, as I feel it is a higher performing ski without being more demanding. Great for Level 7 to Level 8 skiers, or the less-aggressive Level 9.
That speed limit seems a little low, maybe the point where the turns aren't smoothly arced, but certainly not a problem for stability in my experience. How long were your RX8s? What do you mean by stable?

A few years back, I demoed the old RX8 (the orange ones) on a hard surface in 170 cm. I found they needed to be on edge and felt very thin and brittle on ice, but aside from the tendency to seek out turns when straight-running as any short radius ski will do, it was fine at speed. The light feeling made me a little leery at first, but once I tried it out for a few runs I had confidence in its abilities. The skis I tried showed no sign of instability at all, and I had them up to around 45 mph.

That being said, my 165 Fischer WC SCs are more stable at higher speeds; I have had them up to about 60 mph and they were still quite controllable, not as calm a ride as my SG skis at that speed, but not even close to being as unstable as say old Dynastar SL (anyone remember the chicken harts?) or Rossy 4S skis with there "VAS" damping plate that was suppposed to damping vibrations, skis used to feel at SG speeds. I could turn almost as well using ski boots without skis as with those skis at speed, maybe better 'cause I had better edge contact.

The RX8 also worked well at slow speeds, the WC SC feels a little out of its element at slow speeds.
post #9 of 18
I've had the RX8 in 170 and 165 lengths, now have the Progressor 8+ in 165. The Progressor feels more solid to me than either pair of RX8s did, and it is more versatile. It works as well as the RX8 on hard snow, but being wider, performs better in powder and crud. I also like the Progressor 8+ better in bumps than I did the RX8. I have yet to demo the Progressor 9+. I weigh about 160# and I expect that the 9+ would be more ski than I need for my weight.
post #10 of 18
Ghost: 60mph on a WC SC? Holy crap! I ski pretty fast but probably have never done much more than 50 or 55. I did 62mph on a 11% grade on my road bike, with a hurricane tailwind, and thought I was going to die.....

I owned the RX8 in 170cm, and it was a fun ski, but not a "top end" ski like the WC SC or the Progressor 9+. I could out-ski it at speed. Not by a lot, but it wasn't as rock-solid stable as the more aggressive frontside skis. The SW14, and SW12 were both stronger than the RX8. I am not saying the RX8 is a wimpy ski: far from it. It is probably 85% of the preformance of the Progressor 9+ but much more forgiving.
post #11 of 18
I have the Progressor9 and have been skiing it quite a bit in pa and got about 30 days on it utah.

me 5'11 170lb skiing on the 170cm.

This is short ski for me I normally ski on 180 to 195 freeride boards and I could be on the 175(or 180) easily for alittle more stability in crud, but thats not really what I use this ski for.

this ski is powerful, precise, and just plain rips in anything thats not deep snow. IMO its is not demanding at all.

The sidecut is relax GS when your relaxed and quickly tightens to SL shape when you move towards the front of the ski. Its it not anywhere close to GS ski in how demanding it is but is solid at speed. I also really like this ski in bumps and feel its has great qualities to a bump skier as long as your not to hard on it. Being to hard on it may bend the metal in the ski.

Its fun in gates as well, Gs or SL gates it feel equally at home at. Not as good as good as a race ski but better than just about anything else out there.

If your a Level 9ish and have some technical back ground I think the 9 in a 160 is the ski you want to look at.
post #12 of 18
Thread Starter 
Wow! Thank you all so much for the replies. It has been really helpful. I was pretty set on the progressor 9, but having read a bit about it, and having a dad being set on the progressor 8, I have decided to go for the progressor 8. I will always have my race skis if I want a fast and heavy ski rather than have a light and more forgiving ski. I am still not sure on the size, but I think I will go for the 165.
post #13 of 18
No, go for 9, they are much easier than race skis anyway, are you ex racer or? So don't underestimate yourself. IMHO
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by annette View Post
Wow! Thank you all so much for the replies. It has been really helpful. I was pretty set on the progressor 9, but having read a bit about it, and having a dad being set on the progressor 8, I have decided to go for the progressor 8. I will always have my race skis if I want a fast and heavy ski rather than have a light and more forgiving ski. I am still not sure on the size, but I think I will go for the 165.
if you race you should go with the 9 is a step or 2 below what an actual 'race stock' ski feels like.
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
if you race you should go with the 9 is a step or 2 below what an actual 'race stock' ski feels like.
Agreed. The 8+, while a great all-around frontside ski, isn't even close to a race ski. The 9+ feels close to a "race carver" which as you know, is 1 step below a "real race" ski, and another 1/2 step below a true race stock ski. I wouldn't put the average weekend warrior on a 9+, however.
post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 
I am pretty much an ex-racer, although I expected to race now that I moved back to norway. My uni-team pretty much only competes in telemark skiing for some reason. I think most people either get really good when they are at my age, or they quit long before, so if I want to race I'd have to do it at a professional level, and I just don't have time for that.

Anyway, I think that it might be nice with a bit of variance in skis. I mean, if I want to ski hard I can use my race skis, that's no problem, but if I am skiing with other people who are not as experienced as me it might actually be better with a lighter and more fun and forgiving ski. I am not a big fan of having to wait for people, and I probably won't go as fast on the progressor 8, as I would on a GS ski.

Don't make me regret my choice now haha!
post #17 of 18
I have read elsewhere on this board that the true difference in stability is only 5%. I would like the slight increase in width, and the more forgiving nature of the ski. We are not always racing for the finish line. (no pun intended Norway lass)
post #18 of 18

a=m racer too  -lets ski together....

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