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Mounting bindings on Volkl Kiku

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
My wife is lucky enough to have a pair of Volkl Kikus and is going to mount them with a pair of Fritschi Explores.

We have a question though: the mark on the ski that shows where the centre of the boot should be seems a long way back when compared to her other skis. Even when compared to the Volkl Aura the mounting point on the Kikus seems a long way back.

I was just wondering if anyone has mounted bindings on Kikus according to Volkl's markings and if they have been happy with the result?

As these are the lady's version of the Goat I was wondering if the Goat's mounting point is also a long way back?

Any thoughts?

Thanks for you help
post #2 of 18
Search and you'll find many comments about the elongated tip & apparent rearward mounting position on the goat when mounted on the freeide mark... So...
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks. Does anyone have any advice specifically for Kikus? I would like my wife to get the best setup possible.
post #4 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carruthers View Post
My wife is lucky enough to have a pair of Volkl Kikus and is going to mount them with a pair of Fritschi Explores.

We have a question though: the mark on the ski that shows where the centre of the boot should be seems a long way back when compared to her other skis. Even when compared to the Volkl Aura the mounting point on the Kikus seems a long way back.

I was just wondering if anyone has mounted bindings on Kikus according to Volkl's markings and if they have been happy with the result?

As these are the lady's version of the Goat I was wondering if the Goat's mounting point is also a long way back?

Any thoughts?

Thanks for you help
I can't really help with the Kikus, except I can tell you that the mounting point on the Auras is farther forward than that on the Mantra (equivalent ski). So if you're comparing to the Aura, it does appear to have a forward mount. The Kiku might be set up more unisex, aka same as the Gotama.
post #5 of 18
It is further back. You don't indicate what type of performance you are going for with her setup. I'm going to assume its a soft-snow bias that you are looking for. If that's the case the back line or "boot center" line will do really well. If she's going to use it as her daily driver and plans to ski all over on it...maybe consider +1 which will have a negligible affect on its performance in soft snow and help them be a bit snappier when the snow is harder.
post #6 of 18
Of course if Volkl is following a typical pattern for most manufacturers, they may well have moved the line up a cm or two. The safe bet, absent reliable model-specific info that says otherwise, is to go with "the line"...
post #7 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your help. I might suggest .5cm...Yes I am a chicken and would hate to make the wrong decision!
post #8 of 18
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Originally Posted by Carruthers View Post
would hate to make the wrong decision!
Since there in no firm data to indicate otherwise... Then why not mount it right where Volkl suggests?
post #9 of 18
My girlfriend and I just got new skis (Me = 187 Liberty Helix; She = 176 Volkl Kiku) and noticed how long the tips are on the Kiku's. Basically the tips on my Liberty's, my old 174 K2 Recons, and her Kiku's are all the same length. We have not yet taken them out in the powder, but she is not yet comfortable at all on the hardpack with them especially compared to her shorter tipped K2s. We will post back when we finally get some powder time on them. We are interested in anyone else's results from moving them forward.
post #10 of 18
Seriously - see the bajillion discussions on the net re: the Gotama tips & mount points. Even if you snuck the bindings forward a bit, my bet is you'd still think the ski looked rear mounted.

While I'm over 200 pounds & obviously not a target for the Kiku, I have spent some time on the Gotamas which represent the base design for the Kiku. The ski is designed with a great big long tip. And it really shows in the relatively narrow mount point range most have settled on for general soft snow use... Why would you expect the Kiku to deviate substantially from the Gotama?
post #11 of 18
If you think the Kiku is far back you should see Sanouks. Seriously, there's like a foot of tail.

Mount them on the line. I've never skied a pair of Volkls (or any other ski, for that matter) that I didn't like best right on the line.
post #12 of 18
She is really having a hard time with the tip length of the Kiku's so I am planning on moving them forward. I made some measurements (eyeball tolerance) and would really like some feedback. Both tip and tail length are measured to the center of the binding. Also, both are mounted in the standard position.

My Helix 187 has a tip length of 40" and a tail length of 32" for a Tip-To-Tail (TTR) ratio of 1.25

Her 176 Kiku's have a tip length of 39.25" and a tail length of 27.25" for a TTR of 1.44

In order to achieve the following TTR {1.4, 1.35. 1.3, 1.25} on the Kiku's the bindings would need to be moved {0.45, 1.05, 1.65, 2.25}" respectively for tip lengths of {38.8, 38.2, 37.6, 37}".

Can anyone give me feedback on which of the above would be the best for making the ski more nimble without severely hurting the powder or other fundamental performance?

Thanks!
post #13 of 18
You may want to try the ball-of-foot method rather than arbitrarily moving them forward. There's an explanation on it on the board here. I could be wrong but I thought womens skis have a smaller tip to tail ratio than their male counterparts so using your Lib's as a reference may not be the best idea.

A mounting position farther back will help her keep the tips up in deep snow but if she's lightweight there should be plenty of float even if you move them forward using the BoF method. If she has a bigger build then a BoF mount may be too forward.

On the contrary I bought my wife a pair of Line Pandoras and they look almost too far forward. She hasn't skied on them yet so we'll see but I plan to compare their recommended line to BoF when I get home.
post #14 of 18
I think it is really important to remember that this years Kiku is rockered.  It is much more of a soft snow specific ski than it has  been in the past.  They typical philosophy of moving women's mounting positions forward doesn't apply to rockered ski designs.  On hard pack snow conditions the effective edge is dramatically shorter than the ski length.  You won't gain very much in turn initiation by moving the mounting position forward.  Since you are mounting a Frischi, I assume she is looking for an "all mountain" / "back country" experience and not skiing switch.  Remeber since a Frischi has a fixed heel position no matter what boot size you are mounting to, it will "look" a lot farther back on the ski than a typical alpine binding does.

I would recomend sticking with Volkls boot sole line.  It is centered on both the side cut and the rocker.  
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by Michael Callas View Post

It is much more of a soft snow specific ski than it has  been in the past.  

Folks keep saying this. The bad news is that it is flat out mythology. This year's goat/kiku design is IMO surprisingly strong on firm snow. I'd rather ski the new goat than the past few years' generation on hardpack. 

That said, the opinions I'm familiar with seem to be "centered" (yes, bad pun) around mounting at zero or plus one for most people for most uses.
post #16 of 18
 I work at an all women's gear shop and we have our kiku mounted at zero and that is how I have demoed it and think it skis great at zero, even in the 170 which is a bit big for me (5'4'' 135). My other powder skis are mounted at zero and I skied the same model mounted plus 1 maybe plus 2 and I definitely like being back more. 
post #17 of 18
 First a dumb question, perhaps I missed the reference in the earlier posts but....
Is this the 09 Kiku or the 2010 Kiku?

If the 09, I'd consider mounting +1
2010 I'd mount at zero, as its rockered and is marked to perform best for its design.
post #18 of 18
Since the OP posted this in November of '08, I'm guessing that it (the Kiku)  is an '09 or left-over '08... it would be odd to have a '10 ski in '08, unless we are talking about time travelers or aliens (in which case lets ask something pertinent, like next weeks winning lottery numbers).

I'd also venture to guess that the OP has either figured out where to remount, or has moved on to a different ski. People, check the date of the posts before resurrecting an old thread to give 'advice' to the OP, just a thought.
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