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post #1 of 136
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An interesting thing happened yesterday to one of the relatively few posts I contribute to this forum. It was pulled by Cirquerider. In his sole judgment it apparently did not meet his litmus test of sensitivity. Here was his simple explanation…
In the fine line between humor and crass, this post failed.
The post was intended to be humorous and anyone with a modicum of intelligence would have taken it that way. The thread's theme was a fantasy encounter on a mountain with someone from the opposite sex. It was clearly intended to arouse the members. Some were taken in while many others caught on quickly and a variety of entertaining posts ensued.
Although I find a lot of useful information on this forum it is a joke in many ways. It has become a mostly private club for a handful of people who contribute on a regular basis. It is obvious that the vast majority of content is generated by a relatively small group of people (the clique). If there was any real sense of democracy within this forum, my post surely would not have been pulled. Perhaps if I had been in the clique it would have remained. I've read many posts here that went far beyond the line that I may have marginally crossed. In my opinion however, I didn’t come close.
In order to prove or dispel my theory on the exclusivity of this forum, it would be interesting to analyze the thread activity. This is something that I would be willing to do. It's called network analysis and it can uncover interesting information about authority, control, balance of power, decision making, and of course democracy.
post #2 of 136
I think you are being a bit over sensitive. Some stuff gets through and other stuff gets yanked. There are no elves reading every post word for word so there is no uniform policy or standard for censorship.

Some are questionable and get the tug and in some overall "greater context" in a perfect world .... shouldn't.

On the other hand, if you are leaning toward a TGR, reach around and grab free for all ... what can I tell ya' ... ??

I get away with quite a bit. Is it because I have a high post count? Now, you ... would infer that wouldn't you??? Admit it, you would.

Me, I know that mostlly my stuff is so lame or inane that for the most part my stuff gets ignored.

post #3 of 136
I did not read your post, so I have no way of judging whether your opinion is valid to anyone other than yourself or not, but I'll bet the moderation was done at the request of more than one reader. Every posting has an "alert" button on the upper right that may be used by any reader to call attention to something they feel the moderators should address. Again, I'd guess a number of others had a different opinion of your message than you.
post #4 of 136
Cirque works for free, and does a pretty good job. If we really want equal and thouroughly justified moderating, we ought to pay for some philosopher or magistrate to manage it. Till then, some good stuff may get axed, some garbage may get through. Geez, its just a ski forum.
post #5 of 136
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Originally Posted by Hoontasan View Post
An interesting thing happened yesterday to one of the relatively few posts I contribute to this forum. It was pulled by Cirquerider. In his sole judgment it apparently did not meet his litmus test of sensitivity. Here was his simple explanation…
In the fine line between humor and crass, this post failed.
The post was intended to be humorous and anyone with a modicum of intelligence would have taken it that way. The thread's theme was a fantasy encounter on a mountain with someone from the opposite sex. It was clearly intended to arouse the members. Some were taken in while many others caught on quickly and a variety of entertaining posts ensued.
Although I find a lot of useful information on this forum it is a joke in many ways. It has become a mostly private club for a handful of people who contribute on a regular basis. It is obvious that the vast majority of content is generated by a relatively small group of people (the clique). If there was any real sense of democracy within this forum, my post surely would not have been pulled. Perhaps if I had been in the clique it would have remained. I've read many posts here that went far beyond the line that I may have marginally crossed. In my opinion however, I didn’t come close.
In order to prove or dispel my theory on the exclusivity of this forum, it would be interesting to analyze the thread activity. This is something that I would be willing to do. It's called network analysis and it can uncover interesting information about authority, control, balance of power, decision making, and of course democracy.
its their forum they can do what they please. If you dont like it leave.

there are other forums that are self moderated but most people who feel compelled to complain about stuff being 'harsh" over here dont have a chance over there.
post #6 of 136
I think you just posted in a thread that was a concern as the topic was neither skiing nor appropriate for our younger or more sensitive members. Sexually predatory statements tend to offend the gender being discussed. So why not use a bit of self control in order to have an environment that welcomes the participation of women and young people ?
This stuff belongs in the Supporters Lounge and if you can't pony up to post there then understand that expectations of conduct are a responsibility of posting here.
post #7 of 136

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Boo Hoo, Life just ain't fair!!!!!!!!!

Besides this is a ski site not Your fantasy sex site. Go buy a video or a blow up doll or whatever.
post #8 of 136
Several people have complained that this place is run by a clique. Maybe so. But it is not a hard clique to join. You just have to post a lot. Quantity counts. And mention screen names. Yuki, all your posts are not lame or inane. You'll be in the clique within a month
post #9 of 136
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
If you dont like it leave.
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
Boo Hoo, Life just ain't fair!!!!!!!!!

Besides this is a ski site not Your fantasy sex site. Go buy a video or a blow up doll or whatever.
Rough crowd.
post #10 of 136
This is a bit more than a forum. I don't think the term clique fits because it isn't really related to intentionally shunning folks to promote exclusivity. Epic is more like a community of folks that genuinely care about other folks they communicate with often via posting, PMs, and most importantly skiing. If you post something that unintentionally offends several folks (everyone with more than two posts probably has) you will certainly hear about it. How you conduct yourself in those situations reflects even more on how you are perceived/received by the others in the community. Just my .02. Like mentioned earlier, if you are looking for lots of insincerity and few rules where nobody cares about anybody else there's that other forum.
post #11 of 136
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
Boo Hoo, Life just ain't fair!!!!!!!!!

Besides this is a ski site not Your fantasy sex site. Go buy a video or a blow up doll or whatever.
Your a perfect example of ignorance. Or perhaps you just don't know how to comprehend what you read. It wasn't my thread and lots of clowns like you who spend an inordinate amount of time on the forum had lots to say about it.

You should take your head out of your ... , well you know the rest.
post #12 of 136

Whatever

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Your a perfect example of ignorance. Or perhaps you just don't know how to comprehend what you read. It wasn't my thread and lots of clowns like you who spend an inordinate amount of time on the forum had lots to say about it.

You should take your head out of your ... , well you know the rest.
Thankyou for the lecture, having been accused of ignorance, non reading comprehension, being a clown etc. deeply affected my self esteem so I am going off into a corner and whine and I will take my head with me if thats ok.Thanks for elevating this subject to such a high plane.

NOTE. Is it possible your condescending dialogue is just a wee bit elitist?
post #13 of 136
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Originally Posted by Hoontasan View Post
Your a perfect example of ignorance.
No, actually you're a perfect example. Please spell correctly if you are going to claim to be smarter then someone.....................
post #14 of 136
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No, actually you're a perfect example. Please spell correctly if you are going to claim to be smarter than someone.....................
Muphry's Law in action.
post #15 of 136
I think the fact that having your post pulled has bothered you enough to have to take such an issue perhaps may indicate that you just don't fit in. I have had several posts pulled and have been warned, and put on "probation", and you know what, thats fine, sometimes I do cross the line (not intentionally but things do get heated at times), but I don't own this forum, its not for me to decide if what I post is right or wrong, but if the day should come that I felt that I was treated unjustly it would be the day I would say good bye....its just that simple. So whats it gonna be?

post #16 of 136
Thank you Hoontasan for making me feel special, as I now believe myself to be one of a select few that this site IS a playpen for.

Like Richie Rich, I have had posts pulled (actually, they were about him ), and have been put on probation for an infraction of the terms and conditions (I feel it was a bit of a heavy handed response), and was even assessed a certain number of "points" to represent my penalty (what the points meant I was never informed ), however I didn't have the epiphany to post a thread complaining about it.

Epic is what it is. The owners want to keep it relatively sedate, and no amount of bitching and moaning will change that (believe me, I've tried that). You may feel unfairly singled out, but I had several thousand posts here when I got my slap on the wrist, so your assertion of privilege of us post padding wonders just doesn't wash; heck they outright banned a guy who had over 8,000 posts, and who had been around from the beginning, because he refused to constrain his posting to the standards of the powers that be.

You don't have to post here, and you don't have to leave off posting here, but if you aren't a relatively sedate poster, you will discover the limits of what will fly.

Oh, and I'll add that Cirquerider is not nearly as conservative as the standards he upholds here, and his tenure as "head patroller" has been relatively tolerant in the grand scheme of things.
post #17 of 136
COOL.....I've never been in a clique before.
post #18 of 136

Boring Nothing Before it Dumps

Thankyou, I have never been in a clique before. Now I am in the clique with VA, Uncle Louie, RichieRich, I am honored. Thanks for letting me join guys.

Oh, for what it is worth LARS got me on report about 3 years ago and being a sometimes reasonable guy I didn't whine, complain or whatever. Smart decision by myself and have been here to enjoy meeting some great skiers and people. Gives me something special to look foward to this year; gathering in JH, ESA at Big Sky, possible Ski Crawl III up here and more I am sure.

If you think Epic is a clique/boy you haven't been around very much.
post #19 of 136
Attacking Hoontason for sharing his feelings doesn't seem to fit the environment of free expression it is hoped we can maintain here.
He didn't start the thread and just played along as others did . If there was errors made in judgment it was Chaos for continuing down a path he had been advised not to. The management of that thread is probably being reconsidered but Chaos is a new member and is also learning the expectations of posting at Epic.
I would like to see more posts from Hoontason as well as Chaos and many other members we don't hear much from . Smiting members for venting occasionally is a bit heavy handed but they must also expect flack from the membership in response to a grumpy post.

Lighten up Francis. All of you.
post #20 of 136
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Originally Posted by PVnRT View Post
Several people have complained that this place is run by a clique. Maybe so. But it is not a hard clique to join. You just have to post a lot. Quantity counts. And mention screen names. Yuki, all your posts are not lame or inane. You'll be in the clique within a month
You may join my clique if you want.
post #21 of 136
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
Thankyou, I have never been in a clique before. Now I am in the clique with VA, Uncle Louie, RichieRich, I am honored. Thanks for letting me join guys.

Oh, for what it is worth LARS got me on report about 3 years ago and being a sometimes reasonable guy I didn't whine, complain or whatever. Smart decision by myself and have been here to enjoy meeting some great skiers and people. Gives me something special to look foward to this year; gathering in JH, ESA at Big Sky, possible Ski Crawl III up here and more I am sure.

If you think Epic is a clique/boy you haven't been around very much.
I did that Pete? Forgive me?
post #22 of 136
Lars, you'd have loved the clique today........Bumpfreaq laughed at me!

Or was it with me?
post #23 of 136
Hoontasan - first, thank you (this is not intended as sarcasm, to be perfectly transparent). You're obviously interested enough to bother having this discussion.

Secondly, I haven't read your post (or that thread) so can't really comment on it.

Finally, my main point: This isn't a publically owned web site. It is and always has been private. The web site has a lot to do with skiing and cameraderie and even has non-skiing discussion forums for those who become members. That said, this is not - and I don't want it to be - a "democratic" (small d) web site, because it has worked so well in its privately owned format. I am not now and never have been an owner or operator of the site and speak only as a very grateful member.

The operators of this web site operate and moderate it as a labor of love, and they do their work on a volunteer basis.

If you want unregulated rough and tumble on a web site, it's out there for you - it's just not here. However, if you're a skier (and also would like to discuss other topics), then take the risk and become a member. It's dirt cheap and not a lot to risk. If you still don't enjoy it after several months, there's no obligation to hang around. But I think you'll love it!
post #24 of 136
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
Lars, you'd have loved the clique today........Bumpfreaq laughed at me!

Or was it with me?
That's ok. I laughed at Bumpfreq once.

(bump run called Wild Turkey at Holimont)

I bet I missed a great day.
post #25 of 136
Runs were limited but the snow was good and the social climate was amazing!
post #26 of 136
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Hoontasan - first, thank you (this is not intended as sarcasm, to be perfectly transparent). You're obviously interested enough to bother having this discussion.

Secondly, I haven't read your post (or that thread) so can't really comment on it.

Finally, my main point: This isn't a publically owned web site. It is and always has been private. The web site has a lot to do with skiing and cameraderie and even has non-skiing discussion forums for those who become members. That said, this is not - and I don't want it to be - a "democratic" (small d) web site, because it has worked so well in its privately owned format. I am not now and never have been an owner or operator of the site and speak only as a very grateful member.

The operators of this web site operate and moderate it as a labor of love, and they do their work on a volunteer basis.

If you want unregulated rough and tumble on a web site, it's out there for you - it's just not here. However, if you're a skier (and also would like to discuss other topics), then take the risk and become a member. It's dirt cheap and not a lot to risk. If you still don't enjoy it after several months, there's no obligation to hang around. But I think you'll love it!
This post is as good as it gets right here.....

Nice play oboe!!!
post #27 of 136
Paul, you're back! Cool!
post #28 of 136

Whats in a name

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Originally Posted by oboe View Post
Hoontasan - first, thank you (this is not intended as sarcasm, to be perfectly transparent). You're obviously interested enough to bother having this discussion.

Secondly, I haven't read your post (or that thread) so can't really comment on it.

Finally, my main point: This isn't a publically owned web site. It is and always has been private. The web site has a lot to do with skiing and cameraderie and even has non-skiing discussion forums for those who become members. That said, this is not - and I don't want it to be - a "democratic" (small d) web site, because it has worked so well in its privately owned format. I am not now and never have been an owner or operator of the site and speak only as a very grateful member.

The operators of this web site operate and moderate it as a labor of love, and they do their work on a volunteer basis.

If you want unregulated rough and tumble on a web site, it's out there for you - it's just not here. However, if you're a skier (and also would like to discuss other topics), then take the risk and become a member. It's dirt cheap and not a lot to risk. If you still don't enjoy it after several months, there's no obligation to hang around. But I think you'll love it!
Very well stated.
post #29 of 136

Names

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Originally Posted by Lars View Post
I did that Pete? Forgive me?
NO, thankyou lars, I deserved the admonishment. Sometimes I am real blunt. Thats part of me I guess.
post #30 of 136
Epic doesn't seem much different than any other online forum that caters to a specific interest. There's a core group who sort of recognize each other more than those outside the core group. Some people contribute more quantity, others more quality, a few contribute both. Some of the most interesting posts are only vaguely about skiing. Some of the most interesting people are very selective about their posting. And sometimes the mods have to throw the book at someone. They seem to do it with a sense of reasonableness, but it never seems fair when it's aimed at you (until you reflect on it later anyway).

Whenever your panties get in a bunch over something you read here, or pretty much anywhere on the intratubes, it's time to turn off the computer and go outside.
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