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BrainSkiing, can ye?

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
I think about skiing a lot, like plenty of others here. I find myself walking down the hallway, noticing that when I lift my left foot, for example, the body(CM?), while momentarily balanced on the right foot, WANTS to "fall" to the left, until, of course, I put the left foot down, lift the right, etc. You get the idea. And the connection to weight transfer, turn initiation, the rest, is clear.
And we've talked about visualization. Certainly that doesn't hurt. A clearer picture can sometimes lead to a clearer "feel." So, skiing while not skiing. Skiing by THINKING about skiing.
I feel right now that were I to step onto the hill right now I would be a better skier than I was at the end of last year BECAUSE I've been running things through in my head all summer.
Hogwash? Anyone else do this, or advise it? If enough of skiing IS mental(with good technique, of course), maybe this is another form of "dryland" training.
Anyway, got stairs to descend, so a slalom course to run. Left foot, right foot, hands in front, HANDS...IN...FRONT...!!!!!
post #2 of 28
Yeah there's been loads of enough evidence that visualising movements and mental rehearsal help athletes in all sports from golf to javelin. Skiing is no different so keep at it (but not when you're driving or doing the horizontal lambada, OK?) :
post #3 of 28
You are just too stange [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I guess I am too...
I've been taking the street car most of the summer now and I find myself always tring to balance first on one foot then the other without holding on, sometimes with my eyes closed and only a light hold or in a corner so if there is a sudden stop I don't knock over 20-30 people.
post #4 of 28
I am always skiing, everywhere I go. Get funny looks on the street running people and signposts like gates, and doing mule kicks off benches and planters etc. Stairs make good zipper lines too(though, like Marc Girardelli, I hate bumps now, unless they are soft with face-shot piles everywhere). Everything with a downhill trend has a skiable line onit ((If only it snowed HERE!!)

For something more involved, see my "screeing" post in www.epicski.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=002000 :
post #5 of 28
USSA Coaches Education has come out with a new guide for racers, from kids through World Cup racers, for their development. One of the items that is very well stressed in later development, is the ability to image and visualize. At the end of course inspection, a World Cup racer can tell what the course looks like at any given point.

Transfering imaging to recreational skiing, watching videos of racers, or whomever, can really help. Put yourself in the video, watch what the skier is doing and visualize that you are doing the skiing. It yakes a little practice, but it can be done.

post #6 of 28
Thread Starter 

if i'm standing on the bus i lock my ankles together and try to keep the fore/aft balancing act, when the bus accelerates/brakes, in my feet, heels, then toes, etc. when the bus turns, i feel the sides of my feet as ski edges and to see how well, and quickly, i can balance on "my edges." yes, definitely strange. also highlights the difference between being tensed - the balancing is "blocky," too thought out - and relaxed, where the motion is more rolling, easy.
post #7 of 28
I think you need to pay these guys a vist. http://www.virtualsnowla.com/about.html
post #8 of 28
Skiing is 90% mental -- the other half is physical.

Think! How the hell are you gonna think and ski at the same time?
post #9 of 28
Thread Starter 
If you'll click on SKI LESSON you'll see that I already have. You'll also see how a near-40-year-old can STILL get carded.
post #10 of 28

carded! Ha. decided to buy a lotto ticket on a whim. got carded... legal age is 18!
post #11 of 28
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SCSA:
Skiing is 90% mental -- the other half is physical.

Think! How the hell are you gonna think and ski at the same time?

If skiing is 90% mental, then only 10% can be physical, not 50%. I am just giving you a hard time!
post #12 of 28
It's the "new Math"
post #13 of 28
The instructor is Bob Salerno, ex-champ freestyler...we used to compete years ago against one another. Then in the early eighties we sold dirt together in NM. This year he shows up at Mt. High out of LA and we caught up....but he never took his hat off...now I know why!!!!!!!
He's got less hair than Brooksbank!!
post #14 of 28
Before you think ol SCSA is either funny or has a sense of humor, don't be deluded, as usual, he bought a book.

He stole that right from Yogi Berras.... "When you come to a fork, take it"
post #15 of 28
A friend of mine likes to claim that he makes his best ski turns in the summer, and his best golf swings in the winter!

I think visualization is an extremely useful and powerful learning tool. Some people are naturally better at it than others, but it is something we can all improve with practice.

Have you heard the famous (which doesn't necessarily mean "true") story of the great Jean Claude Killy? He was visualizing his run before a race, and when he came to a particular gate in his mind, he missed it! He "rewound the tape" and tried again, with a subtle correction of line. This time he made it. When it was time for the "real" run, he went on to win the race!

In martial arts, it is a common belief that, until you can clearly and consistently visualize a movement or sequence, you haven't mastered it yet.

And I remember hearing of an experiment where a group of college students was divided randomly into three subgroups. Each group then shot a bunch of basketball foul shots to create a baseline score. Then one group was to practice foul shots daily for a month. The second group was to VISUALIZE practicing foul shots for the same length of time, daily, for a month. And the third group was not to go near a basketball court or think about basketball for a month. The result? After the month, the third group, of course, didn't significantly change their score. But the first two groups improved by about the same amount!

It may seem to silly to some, but never underestimate the power of visualization!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #16 of 28
I think the key is to be integrated and in touch enough with your body that any movement pattern can make you feel the similarities with another pattern. Whatever sort of balance, awareness of weight transference and distrubution, axial elongation you learn from skiing can be applied to anything you do.
Probably even certain ``Apr├ęs`` activities!
post #17 of 28

Well duhh.

I've watched the "2" video 8000 times. I learn something new each time.
post #18 of 28
I practice an extreme form of visualisation which involves putting on my boots and skis in front of the TV and watching my favourite ski videos. They have a lot of helmet camera action so I can really imagine being there. I also get a great quad workout but my boyfriend thinks I'm mad and I've had to get rid of the carpet as wood floors seem to transmit edge movements better!!

perhaps I ought to get out of the house more?
post #19 of 28
Rick H, I've started planning my coaching year and decided that I want to teach my kids a little about visualization. Is there a place where that guide is posted online?
post #20 of 28
I believe that I have learned more about balance and movement from the visual impaired sudents I teach than anything else. Try standing in a relaxed stance close your eyes and lift 1 leg at a time. See what I mean. You have to feel not see your way in being balanced.
post #21 of 28
Visualization really works. Several years ago when the Elan SCX came out I picked up a pair toward the end of the season. I had trouble carving as I kept steering the skis when I wanted to turn breaking the edge out and skidding.

During the summer I would visualize rolling the skis on edge without the rotary movement. I would practice standing on the basement floor in ski boots to eliminate the mindset of steering the skis.

When winter finally arrived, I found that I had reprogrammed my mind to allow me to carve turns.
post #22 of 28
First thanks for the great disscussions, this is the first post that I have written.
As a avid skier and a recent college grad I spent quite a bit of time in college studing sports psyc. This topic of visualization was one of the major areas of disscussion of several of my classes. It is true that the use of this tool can greatly effect the performance outcomes of athletes in a variety of sports, but I belive that this effect is much greater and eaiser to get from athletes with higher skill levels in their respective sport. With the background that most of the people in this group seem to have I have no doubt that visualization would be an effective training tool. Thanks again for the great disscussions and I'll look forward to more interesting topics. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #23 of 28
I have used mental training techniques in the past and found it very sucessful. I have a series of tapes that involve visualization and relaxation that I made for my athletes. It helps that they are in my voice so that when I talk to them at the start it's familiar.
post #24 of 28
Welcome Oklahoma! Being director of an adaptive ski school program, do you ever work with visualization?
post #25 of 28
No doubt about it, visualization works.

Last night I had a dream about skiing. I could actually feel my downhill ski making the movements it should.

That's what so great about videos that really take a skier through skiing movements. When you can see them, you can learn them.

I'll put in a plug for the "2" video here. I've seen nothing else - not even close, that takes a skier through the movements like HH does.
post #26 of 28
I personaly do not use visualization that
much, I am a kenesthetic learner and have a hard time getting a good picture of things in my head, but I do find myself thinking and practicing movements in various places all through the year. Some of the athletes that we work with in the program do use extensive visualization as part of their practice. As I said in my earlier post this seems to work better with the higher end skiers. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #27 of 28
Look'in good on the profile oklahhomaskibum.
post #28 of 28

Try www.ussa.org and click on Alpine and then Coaches Ed. If this is not enough, try "more info" from Chris Katzenburger at USSA.
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