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Marker Piston plates

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Hey guys, I was just wondering if there was a real advantage to mounting Marker plates on Volkl Skis vs other brands. The reason I ask is because my skis are in but the plates and bindings are not, so I was tempted to mount the Atomic black WC plates I have with the 1018s I own in ridiculous quantities.

Any thoughts on this?
post #2 of 21
I use both on my Blizzards, and I like the Marker plates (with Marker bindings) better than the Atomics. I think the the flex of the ski is less inhibited, with no visible flat spots under the boot. But, having said that, I do think it is a matter of personal preference, based on height, weight and skiing ability, and, finally, and most important, what type of skiing you're doing (freeskiing or competing at Nastar, Masters or higher FIS level )
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
Its my first year on anything else than Atomic equipment so I'm not sure how the marker gear works. I tested the Volkl skis last year and I loved them. Thats why I switched.

As for level. I will be running high level FIS races if I find time during my semester. I have started and foreran Nor-Ams before.

Do you think the skis will feel significantly different with the Atomic Plates on them?
post #4 of 21
They each have a unique feel on whatever ski you put it on.

One consideration is that he ramp angle of the Atomic and the Marker are different. If you using different binding brands you may notice this difference. At the same time many slalom set-ups are now raising the toe to reduce the ramp angle in this event. That argument could nulify the ramp angle argument above.

Either way every binding has a different inherent feel to it.

jim
post #5 of 21
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Originally Posted by starthaus View Post
They each have a unique feel on whatever ski you put it on.

One consideration is that he ramp angle of the Atomic and the Marker are different. If you using different binding brands you may notice this difference. At the same time many slalom set-ups are now raising the toe to reduce the ramp angle in this event. That argument could nulify the ramp angle argument above.

Either way every binding has a different inherent feel to it.

jim
Thanks thats a point to consider. But now I'm scared I'm going to lose the feeling I had when I tested them ... Although It was more the tip initiation and the tail response I was interested in...
post #6 of 21
I'm not quite sure how different the plates are, but I do know that the Volkls are designed around the Piston plate. That's not to say they wouldn't work as well with the Atomics, but you can know for a fact that you're getting the manufacturer's intended feel with the Marker plate.

BTW, the Volkls rock! I've been on them for a couple of seasons now and find them FANTASTIC, especially the GS. What length are you going with?
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
I went 193 for GS. I can't wait to try them out.

And I'm thinking like you too. I think I'm going to wait for the pistons to come in. Thanks everyone.
post #8 of 21
I switched my Blizzards from VIST to Marker last year. The whole ski feels different (and better) with the Marker plate.
post #9 of 21
By the way, Marker and Völkl (and K2) have the same owner, Jarden Corp., thus the relationship.
http://www.jarden.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=72395&p=home
post #10 of 21
I feel that the Marker plates (having different setups on different skis) can affect the flex of the ski in both ways. I would say try messing around with the floating toe option and see what setup you like. I have found the floating toe better for slalom and non floating toe for gs. There is also a removable plastic plate with the Markers that can be positioned differently in the heel of the plate (reduces the tail flex on the ski the further you put it). Riser plates for the toes and heels can also come into play and can alter your ramp angle, or can simply give you a higher stack if you have extra space (which you should for your Slalom skis if you have the new plates, the 06-07 plates are thicker and are still stack legal for both slalom and gs, I really have no idea why they reduced it). Do makes sure you tinker with the setup for a day or two to see what you like.
post #11 of 21
I also forgot to add that you can get a piston extension kit if you feel you need more dampening.
post #12 of 21
Rise, please explain exactly what you mean by the floating toe option. Is this option available for both the newer as well as older plate?
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
I feel that the Marker plates (having different setups on different skis) can affect the flex of the ski in both ways. I would say try messing around with the floating toe option and see what setup you like. I have found the floating toe better for slalom and non floating toe for gs. There is also a removable plastic plate with the Markers that can be positioned differently in the heel of the plate (reduces the tail flex on the ski the further you put it). Riser plates for the toes and heels can also come into play and can alter your ramp angle, or can simply give you a higher stack if you have extra space (which you should for your Slalom skis if you have the new plates, the 06-07 plates are thicker and are still stack legal for both slalom and gs, I really have no idea why they reduced it). Do makes sure you tinker with the setup for a day or two to see what you like.

I'm already over the lift limit because I have risers on my boots. I'm going to have to stay away from stacking them plates derby flex style haha.

Thanks for the advice though.
post #14 of 21
Wow
Jarden Corp owns like everything!!!
post #15 of 21
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Wow
Jarden Corp owns like everything!!!
That they do
post #16 of 21
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Originally Posted by TMAS29 View Post
I'm already over the lift limit because I have risers on my boots. I'm going to have to stay away from stacking them plates derby flex style haha.

Thanks for the advice though.
I have mine set up with a 3 mm shim under the toe to give a bit of a gas pedal, which I find works nicely. I recommend playing around with that, as it will not affect your overall height as long as your toe doesn't become higher than the heel...
post #17 of 21
JFTR, there is no floating toe option on any Marker piston plate. The08 & 09 plate has options of pinning the middle of the plate and allow some float or flow through at the rear, depending on which shape screw inserts that you choose.

jim
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by starthaus View Post
JFTR, there is no floating toe option on any Marker piston plate. The08 & 09 plate has options of pinning the middle of the plate and allow some float or flow through at the rear, depending on which shape screw inserts that you choose.

jim
That is what I meant, its gliding not floating. my b.
post #19 of 21
The piston controls the movement at he front of the plate. Your choice of mounting hardware allows for some compensation for ski flex at the rear.

The old (07 and older) piston plate had the rear of the plate locked to the ski, and only the piston allowed for shear at the front.

jim
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by starthaus View Post
The piston controls the movement at he front of the plate. Your choice of mounting hardware allows for some compensation for ski flex at the rear.

The old (07 and older) piston plate had the rear of the plate locked to the ski, and only the piston allowed for shear at the front.

jim
For the 07 they had a flex adjustment plate in the rear that could adjust flex too.
post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 
Does anyone have any info on how to mount these?
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