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Remember, "Down-Up-Down?"

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Not humor, not controversy - more like nostalgia:

Back in the early 60's, when first learning to make 'parallel turns', I remember someone telling me to think - actually, to say out loud, "Down-Up-Down," while making a turn. The 1st 'down' was to set the edges and/or create a platform for the 'up' unweighting move, followed by the second 'down' move engaging the edges as the skis crossed the fall line. When you got good at it, the second 'down' became the first 'down' of the next turn. It seems sort of archaic now, but does anyone else remember being told something similar?

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post #2 of 16
Not only remember but still use when the need arises. It's still effective in real sticky heavy wet powder on steeps.
post #3 of 16
Not down-up-down........ but in Austrian..

Unnnnnnnnnd Hop,........ or for Wedeln.....

hop..hop...op.op.op.op.op ..... more for the edge sets and rotation than hopping. It was a timing cadence.

Like Dchan, I still use it and occasionally even teach it as a way to get out of trouble.
post #4 of 16
In Bormio, you still hear every Italian instructor yelling in English.. UP!! Down!!!
post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hmm, but I bet you don't hear, "Bend zee kneez - $5 pleez!" anymore!
post #6 of 16
$5??? The price has gone up considerably.
post #7 of 16
Worse than that - some of us still use it for some things on the hill...

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post #8 of 16
The version I first heard in the '40's was, "Down, Uppppppppp and Arrrouuuuunnnnnddddd." In which the up was accompanied by a huge rotation of the body toward the turn.

When I first attended PSIA training in the late '60's, we made a preparatory down movement and assured engagement of the inside edge of the downhill ski, we made a sprightly up movement toward the direction of the turn that unweighted the skis, we began pivoting the skis toward the turn and made a change in lead and edges just as we reweighted the new outside ski and began to apply steering and forward leverage to control the remaining arc of the turn. I repeated this description so many times in precourse events and examinations that I'll only forget it when Alzheimer's sets in. I've since participated in thousands of lessons and never once used the description for a client.
post #9 of 16
That's a good one. Very appropriate.

Towards the end of this year I was practicing this moving the body down the hill. It's a bit of an odd and unnerving feeling. My mind's going "Hey! What are you doing out there so far from the skis!?" or "Hey! Uh...are you -sure- you want to be out there?"

(I think answering "no" in the middle of a turn would probably have not so good consequences)
post #10 of 16
Oh Hey! I thought all you had to do was tip the inside ski?!
post #11 of 16
Down-up-down was kind of fun! nice timing feel. But now, with these shaped skis I rudly found out I'm headed across the fall line and or tail sliding! But then I thought, "Gee! Isn't it nice of me to smooth out the hill just a bit for the next guy!"

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post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
Bob Barnes said:

"We were playing with a more contemporary move of releasing the downhill ski's edge, rather than pushing off from its platform ('UP!' - sound familiar?). We were emphasizing the movement of the body down the hill, 'falling' into the turn, allowing the skis to come around and 'catch' us."

Bob (and I've said this to you before on this very forum): Yup - that's it! When I got new equipment at the end of the 99-2000 season, I began experimenting with great fascination how to get the most out of 'shaped' skis. I gradually began to minimize edge set and unweighting to initiate a turn and this past season independently arrived at just what you describe above with such clarity. What a blast! Of course, I still love jamming the edges into a steep hill and riding that trampoline-like rebound across the fall line sometimes. (And then, I'll always have the 'Mambo', but that's another story!) Anyway, as DChan said, "Whatever makes it fun!" SnoKarver has called it 'snow dancing', I believe. Or as you've described it previously, "It's playing with gravity!" Finally, one of my favorite lines from your excellent book is, "Great skiers flow." (And I also like the part where you admit that you've tried snowboarding in really tiny print.) Thanks, Bob!


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post #13 of 16
It is all about having fun. One thing I make sure to say to every class I teach, is: don't forget to have fun. Afterall, this is recreation, and you're spending your hard earned money to recreate". Safety, fun, learning, in that order, right?

However, every time we mention this theme here, I wish for the sort of fun that Ott had growing up. In my next life, I'm going to be born in Bavaria in the '30s, and grow up to be a ski teacher and photographer. A culture that revolves around skiing would be inifinitely more fun than making a sport (hobby) or career out of it. I swear, EVERY time someone says "it should be fun", I daydream about being a shool-age kid chasing pretty girls around snow covered fields on skis.

Thanks for the vicarious life, Ott!!

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**Due to the power shortage, the light at the end of the tunnel will be turned off indefinitely.
post #14 of 16
>>> I daydream about being a shool-age kid chasing pretty girls around snow covered fields on skis.<<<

But John, we can do this at any age, we are Ski Instructors

...Ott
post #15 of 16
From the sounds of some of these posts we should be "looking to the future":

.......down-up-around.... will this work with the wheelchairs in the old folks home..?

Wherever we end up we will drive em nuts.
post #16 of 16
Most acquaintences in Perth (worlds most remote capital city and damned far from the snow) have never seen snow. But when they kear I ski they invariablly make a jocular remark along the "ben se knees" theme. But to be honest, the closest I have ever actually come to hearing it is around the fire in the lodge. Goes something like "Bend your elbow".

This is sometimes followed by a gruff "You coudn't shout if a shark bit you". (Interpretation: "Have another beer" which requires bending the elbow and "Shout means your turn to buy the round but if you are a bit slow then the shark comment. Doncha love idiom!)

PS Early snows in NEw Zealand and Oz this month - maybe a record season???
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