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How the Atomic Hawx could (should?) have looked like

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So, it could have been a monoblock or a 3-piece boot?
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On the mock-up sketch, it looks more like a "2piece-monoblock" boot..
I think the "sky-flex" tecnology integrated in the fulltiltboots design, and the walkmode from The BlackDiamond Factors, could be a interesting synergy..
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Wow....now that is a place to get your boots fit right!
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On the mock-up sketch, it looks more like a "2piece-monoblock" boot..
Yeah, I'd be curious to try that.


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I think the "sky-flex" tecnology integrated in the fulltiltboots design, and the walkmode from The BlackDiamond Factors, could be a interesting synergy..
That not so much, they'd feel like my old Koflachs and scarpa have already done them Fone better.

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i love the way they make out that it was only them to design it, the original was designed by Sven Coomer of Zip fit fame, i have pictures of the prototypes from several years back which were made from an old nordica grand prix with some major cut outs with neoprene over the top to stop the foot getting wet..... i then saw various stages in the design pre 2000 including a dobermann with saw cuts under the sole to allow it to flex

to be honest i do not know what arrangement heierling came to, they seem to have the technology to bring it to market but they certainly did not come up with the concept
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That not so much, they'd feel like my old Koflachs and scarpa have already done them Fone better.

The F1's have flex 40. Koflachs, a bit more. Factors, around 100. Atomic Hawx, up to 120!
I dont se they could be compared??
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I dont se they could be compared??
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If they are conceptually identical, then the flex numbers are mere implementation detail,

to be left to process engineers.


Hey, Colin, d'ya notice who the partners were? Stroltz/Zipfit/Atomic/Alpina

It might be interesting to see this show up in junior boots.
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If they are conceptually identical, then the flex numbers are mere implementation detail,

to be left to process engineers.


Hey, Colin, d'ya notice who the partners were? Stroltz/Zipfit/Atomic/Alpina

It might be interesting to see this show up in junior boots.
My point was that the Factors walk-mode are surprisingly good for a flex 100 boot. Very firm in ski-mode, and almost as free as the F1's in walk-mode.
But the feeling of the Factors and Hawx flex, are not nearly as progressive and smooth as on Flexons.

I believe the limitation for making boots flex more in the front then the Hawx, are the binding manufacturers cant guarantee the bindings release mecanism will work as intended..
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Head has an alpine boot released this past season that also has a flexing forefoot.
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interesting that heierling is still in the game after being bought out by Salomon more than 10 years ago? is that where the Atomic "partnership"comes from?
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i love the way they make out that it was only them to design it, the original was designed by Sven Coomer of Zip fit fame, i have pictures of the prototypes from several years back which were made from an old nordica grand prix with some major cut outs with neoprene over the top to stop the foot getting wet..... i then saw various stages in the design pre 2000 including a dobermann with saw cuts under the sole to allow it to flex

to be honest i do not know what arrangement heierling came to, they seem to have the technology to bring it to market but they certainly did not come up with the concept
Do you know if the concept is patented? I could not find anything on www.freepatentsonline.com
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Head has an alpine boot released this past season that also has a flexing forefoot.
The Peak XP and SH3

But they say its designed to NOT flex when skiing! Weard huh..

"FWS - FLEX WALKING SOLE
At the core of the revolution is the patented Flex Walking Sole: Out of the binding, the front part of the boot flexes to give you and easy and "round" stroll, whether you're hiking up to the summit or down to the bar. In the binding, performance is the focus: the shell is engineered so that the binding's pressure makes the sole lock into place, maintaining full torsional stiffness.

The i-Type is the first ski boot that unlocks your toes when you step out of the binding."

Close up of the engineereing
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