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post #1 of 12
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I'm curious: if you take your skis into a good shop to have the edge bevel angle changed, (say from 1° to 2°), do they plane the sidewall and grind the edge all in one pass, or do they work the sidewall back first and then work the angle?
post #2 of 12
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Originally Posted by C.B. View Post
I'm curious: if you take your skis into a good shop to have the edge bevel angle changed, (say from 1° to 2°), do they plane the sidewall and grind the edge all in one pass, or do they work the sidewall back first and then work the angle?
Depends on what tools they are using and what skis you are bringing in. In general, removing some sidewall will improve consistency of the final product.

It depends to some extent on what method they are using to set the bevel.
post #3 of 12
One pass sidewall/side bevel = Oft viewed Coombs quick and painless ski tune:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O5GUAtShiU
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Originally Posted by DonDenver View Post
One pass sidewall/side bevel = Oft viewed Coombs quick and painless ski tune:
I have a swix variable file guide that I put the panzer in, crank it up to 6 degrees and that usually gets enough sidewall out of teh way with no metal being removed. then I switch to a normal file guide and sharpen the edges
post #5 of 12
In a good shop, they will pull back and polish the sidewall before they set the side edge angle.

For real shops, with real guys, pulling real files, they will set and polish the base edge angle first, then peel and polish the sidewall, then set and polish the side edge angle.

Any shop that is doing machine only prep is not specifically peeling the sidewall. Meaning that whatever shape the sidewall ends up, it is inline with the edge bevel. When you go to resharpen that edge, the file of stone will be resting on the edge and the sidewall at the same time, generally not allowing you complete access to the edge. Where a peeled sidewall will allow the file to only sharpen or shape the metal side edge.

jim
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by starthaus View Post
In a good shop, they will pull back and polish the sidewall before they set the side edge angle.

For real shops, with real guys, pulling real files, they will set and polish the base edge angle first, then peel and polish the sidewall, then set and polish the side edge angle.

Any shop that is doing machine only prep is not specifically peeling the sidewall. Meaning that whatever shape the sidewall ends up, it is inline with the edge bevel. When you go to resharpen that edge, the file of stone will be resting on the edge and the sidewall at the same time, generally not allowing you complete access to the edge. Where a peeled sidewall will allow the file to only sharpen or shape the metal side edge.

jim
Thanks! Anybody know if there's a "real" shop, one that does hand work in the Summit County or better yet, Vail area?
Thanks all!! Some good tips.
post #7 of 12
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In a good shop, they will pull back and polish the sidewall before they set the side edge angle.
What is a good method for polishing the sidewall at home? I always dislike the scraped up look after using the sidewall planar... not that it matters much.
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by C.B. View Post
Thanks! Anybody know if there's a "real" shop, one that does hand work in the Summit County or better yet, Vail area?
Thanks all!! Some good tips.
Colorado Freeride does "real" work.
post #9 of 12
Using a pansar file to "blend" the marks left from the sidewall tool is the first step. Then sanding with 220 wet or dry paper wrapped around a file or roll pin to blend the transition of sidewall to the sidewall ledge. Follow that up with maroon scotchbrite held by hand.

jim
post #10 of 12
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Anybody know if Precision in Frisco does hand work? Breck is a bit out of my way out to Vail in Feb. I do agree that CO Free, (formerly Racer's Edge, I believe), does excellent work.
Thanks
post #11 of 12
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Any shop that is doing machine only prep is not specifically peeling the sidewall.
Speaking from personal experience, this isn't 100% true. Machine finishing works better with properly prepared sidewalls for all the same reasons hand finishing does.

"properly prepared" varies strongly with the economics of the product you are selling. While the lowest quality tune products might not include any process related to sidewall preparation, that would be IMO a junk product a shop shouldn't put their name on, as it will certainly be inconsistent. Just my .02.
post #12 of 12
Precision Ski in Frisco gets the recommendations of expert skiers I know in that area.
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