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post #1 of 16
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Hey guys great forum you got going here. I've been crusing around for a while absorbing all the wisdom that could be passed down to me, that being said it's time to ask a few questions of my own and I'm relatively sure you guys will point me in the right direction. To make a long story short I have my heart set on the k2 recons (thanks to the great reviews on this site) however, I'm a little confused about the binding setup(s). I'm looking at the 07-08 model year which has the m1 12, m1 11, and ibc 11 configurations available from marker. How good are these bindings, I'm not really a fan of marker based on the ejection horror stories but truth be told I've never skied them either (better to be safe than sorry in my mind). At the same time since k2 is shoving these down our throats they have to be somewhat decent I'm thinking. I'd love to hear any input you guys have thanks.
post #2 of 16
I have the integrated m1 12.0 bindings on my 07 Recons and had some pre-release issues at first. Brought them back to the shop I bought them at and they gave me a new set of bindings with the piston system included. The piston doesn't have anything to do with the pre-release issue, but definitely make sure your recons have the piston because it does provide a little more edge grip. Since I got them replaced, haven't had any issues with the bindings. Traditionally, the bindings are a little bit loose on the rail but it doesn't affect the ski's performance in any way. So far, no complaints about the integrated bindings other than having to get them replaced initially.
post #3 of 16
Buy some 8K's with PX12's and you'll be way better off. Just sayin.....
post #4 of 16
I've always bought the flat skis so that I could get the bindings I wanted. I also can't stand the idea that the bindings are loose on the rail. I've heard a lot about that issue online.
post #5 of 16
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Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post
I've always bought the flat skis so that I could get the bindings I wanted. I also can't stand the idea that the bindings are loose on the rail. I've heard a lot about that issue online.
That's what concerns me, I don't like the idea of my bindings being on a rail vs being screwed into the skis. Supposedly you can grind the rails off and put on your own bindings but not really worth the hassle or cost IMO. Has anyone out there skiied both the 8000's and the recons? The reviews on the 8000s seem pretty good (if not better) than the recons and I like the idea of not having the binding rails.
post #6 of 16
I skied the 8000 and the Recon, and I preferred the Recon. Both very capable skis, but the Recons suited me more. I ended up buying the Recons (2007-2008) model, and have had zero problems with the bindings and no "merkering out".
post #7 of 16
Ive read that the 07-08 Recons DO NOT actually have the loose binding rail issue, whereas the 06-07 and earlier models had more problems. I think you might be OK to look into the 07-08 models and not be concerned about the integrated system.
post #8 of 16
Here is a quick thumbnail of the two skis.

Recon:

Smooth, quiet, very damp and rather soft yet very stable ski. The Recon excells on softer snow but is a bit challenged by harder conditions. It is more forgiving but not terribly energetic. The Recon is like driving a caddilac; fairly heavy, easygoing, no surprises.

L8K:

The 8K is stiffer and grippier than the Recon and is more energetic. It is also a lighter ski so combined with the higher energy, the Legend feels "sportier" However, the 8K is not as damp or forgiving and requires a bit more attention from the pilot. The 8K carries about an equal bias between soft and hard conditions.

I think the current K2 rail system is somewhat better than the older ones.

SJ
post #9 of 16
I've been on the Recon for about 20 days over the past 2 seasons, and now have 8k's scattered thorought the family, and what SierraJim says is spot on, but I think he's being VERY diplomatic.

Do you want an old soft Caddy, or a BMW M3? Sometimes I've kept on waiting (and hoping) for the Recon to do something that the 8k does in it's sleep. C'mon ski - wake up! Let's get going!

I don't know, the ski seems like it's got attention deficit disorder compared to the good stuff I've driven (Dynastar, Nordica and Volkl), and I've been a K2 guy for 30+ years.

I've also been a victim of Marker, so let's not go there.....
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input guys, I decided to pull the trigger the 8k's since I was able to get them for $500 mounted and shipped and the 08-09 model year at that!! Based on what you've been saying the 8k will fit my personality better than the recons (I've always been more of an m3 guy than a caddy guy, plus the an m3 would look much better sitting next to that lovely r6 in the garage :P) but if for whatever reason I don't like them I can pass down a bargain to someone else. BTW for those of you who have skied the 8k's what length did you choose? I got the 178's since that's what was available which should shouldn't be a problem on the groomers and open stuff but might be a tad long in the trees (for reference I'm 6' 190 lbs) but I guess we'll see in a week or so.
post #11 of 16
You made the right choice, no doubt. Wait to see how those things rock and roll - zip, zip, zip - you're in for a treat.

Try some MR's too just for fun (quiver building coming soon).
post #12 of 16
Thought I might make a point about the new Recon. I'm talking about the new 08-09 model w/MX 12.0 Marker bindings. Even though the ski is the same shape and same ski as in the past the new model has much more life because of the new binding system. First, the system no longer has the Marker piston....which IMO makes the ski way too damp. This has always been the biggest complaint regarding the Recon. Second, the new heel in the binding generates a fantastic amount of power and control. It has much better edge grip and a way quicker than in the past. I skied the new ski last spring and have to say it's a huge improvement over the old Recon.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by cruddog View Post
Thought I might make a point about the new Recon. I'm talking about the new 08-09 model w/MX 12.0 Marker bindings. Even though the ski is the same shape and same ski as in the past the new model has much more life because of the new binding system. First, the system no longer has the Marker piston....which IMO makes the ski way too damp. This has always been the biggest complaint regarding the Recon. Second, the new heel in the binding generates a fantastic amount of power and control. It has much better edge grip and a way quicker than in the past. I skied the new ski last spring and have to say it's a huge improvement over the old Recon.
Looks like I'll have to give these a shot when the next demo day rolls around although I must admit I'm not a huge fan of the rail-binding system on these skis for the simple fact that you have a plastic (mostly) binding which has a great deal of force applied to it riding atop a fairly narrow metal rail. IMO this will cause the original tight fit of the binding rail system to quickly turn into a sloppy one. They might hold up for a couple seasons sure, but I wouldn't expect to keep these skis for 4-5 years.
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by dynamite196 View Post
Thanks for the input guys, I decided to pull the trigger the 8k's since I was able to get them for $500 mounted and shipped and the 08-09 model year at that!! Based on what you've been saying the 8k will fit my personality better than the recons (I've always been more of an m3 guy than a caddy guy, plus the an m3 would look much better sitting next to that lovely r6 in the garage :P) but if for whatever reason I don't like them I can pass down a bargain to someone else. BTW for those of you who have skied the 8k's what length did you choose? I got the 178's since that's what was available which should shouldn't be a problem on the groomers and open stuff but might be a tad long in the trees (for reference I'm 6' 190 lbs) but I guess we'll see in a week or so.
They are not at all too long;, 178 isn't long. You will use the extra float in the softer snow in the trees, and from what I here the 8k isn't too hard to bend so you should be able to snake your way anywhere you want to go (disclaimer - have skied all manor of inappropriate skis, in trees on soft snow).
post #15 of 16
Get some Recons flat and put PX-12's on them. That would be a great set up.
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by dynamite196 View Post
Thanks for the input guys, I decided to pull the trigger the 8k's since I was able to get them for $500 mounted and shipped and the 08-09 model year at that!! Based on what you've been saying the 8k will fit my personality better than the recons (I've always been more of an m3 guy than a caddy guy, plus the an m3 would look much better sitting next to that lovely r6 in the garage :P) but if for whatever reason I don't like them I can pass down a bargain to someone else. BTW for those of you who have skied the 8k's what length did you choose? I got the 178's since that's what was available which should shouldn't be a problem on the groomers and open stuff but might be a tad long in the trees (for reference I'm 6' 190 lbs) but I guess we'll see in a week or so.
The page wasn't fully loaded when I posted the previous message. I have the 178's with the PX-12s. They are an awsome ski. I demoed the recons last year with the system, and they were good, but not better than the 8k's, especially in the bumps and trees.
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