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level 2 Demo video

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
Open Parallel turns for our level 2 exam PSIA-W

Medium pitch/soft spring conditions.

How are we doing and what can we do to improve?

(no I'm not one of them I was the video person)

Open Parallel Skier 1
Open Parallel Skier 2
Open Parallel Skier 3
post #2 of 14
I'll take a swing at it:

Video 1: Up and down motion.
Video 2: Upper body rotation and heavy at the completion of the turn.
Video 3: Turn more often.

Very nice, rhythmic skiing. Of the three, I like the skiing on the first video the best. The third video is kinda hard to judge since his turn radius was much larger and he was able to tip and ride.

I'm interested in what others have to say.
post #3 of 14
Here is my $.02:

Video 1: good.

Video 2: right arm kind of lazy; a slight A-frame; good blocking pole plant.

Video 3: very tight; stiff upper body; slouching.
post #4 of 14
Originally posted by AlexG:
Here is my $.02:

good blocking pole plant.

1st one was best of three pretty decent op as far a demos go
2nd one borderline- could tube them if she skis like that in the exam-- wedges the entries a bit, but it's hard to tell if she does it 'too often' (can't see skis in vid enuf.)
3rd one doesn't seem to know what a op turn is at all. He stem/steps 'em too, as far as these turns in these videos go, the most likely tube of the bunch.
post #5 of 14
Skier One makes good open stance parallel turns. All the movements are there and they flow nicely together.

Skier Two loses his pole plant hand after the plant and fails to include the ankles in his extensions and flexions.

Skier Three needs to work on longer, smoother extension/flexion movements.
post #6 of 14
mmkay, any feedback on #1's hand position? too low or just fine?
post #7 of 14
too low
post #8 of 14
I agree that it might be better if he only had to flick the wrist to position the poles for touches rather than raise the hand, but he really only has a relaxed hand position, not a drop. I'd bet that this skier would hold his hands a tad higher for a run of dynamic short turns.
post #9 of 14
The first skier is quite good. The arms could be a little higher and a little less stiff, but one could live with that. Besides, he is probably trying too hard to be perfect. I am sure his free skiing is really nice.

Now this is gonna hurt a little. I assume that the second and third skiers are Level I skiers. If that is the case, then they are rather marginal skiers for Level I. It looks like they are afraid to relax and go with the flow. Skier #2 looks like an upper intermediate at best. Skier #3 is a little better, but that stiff, arms-forward look is not what I would look for in an instructor. I cannot imagine these 2 skiers as Level II. If I would see these skiers on the hill (without uniform) I would never guess that these are professional, certified skiers of any level. In fact they would almost fit in the group of 9 skiers that dchan showed in another thread.
post #10 of 14
regarding this "stiffness," it DOES pop up in these videos, and it IS understandable. when i've skied with a camera on me, i invariably freeze up and begin thinking too much.

Is this expected, thus accepted, in these cases; specifically, "tests," certification, etc.?

Because, as TomB says, the stiffness is apparent but it isn't that hard to deduce that that's all it is, and said skier probably IS much, or at least a little, more relaxed.

Rhetorical, I guess, as I don't want to push this thread elsewhere, but I do wonder how/whether, in these cases, ease/flow of motion - relaxation - is "judged."

[ March 28, 2003, 03:07 PM: Message edited by: ryan ]
post #11 of 14
Thread Starter 
I'm sure tense is part of it however the piece of advice I keep getting those in the know, "ski your Demo's don't demo your skiing"
In other words relax.

I suspect they want the demo as perfect as possible because this is the "picture" you present to the customer so the stiffness is probably reflected as a a poorer score maybe a pass but barely. If the examiner is doing their job well, there will be advice on the score sheet on how to improve as well as lots of encouragement and team building during the exam to get the candidates relaxed and skiing their best.
post #12 of 14
Thread Starter 
Just bumping up to the top now that ski season is winding down. Hoping now that all those instructors that didn't have the energy after a day of MA/teaching to take a look might now be itching for a little more.
post #13 of 14
I dont instruct and I dont play one on TV or the Net, but these guys looked STIFF. We used to call this stick up butt syndrome. The hands/arms are high and seem rigid, the back is rigid, it is almost like they are camera shy or have a testing fear. They cant ski like this all the time, it cant be fun.

Relax the back, stand more loose, hold the arms more naturally, be more AGGRESSIVE.

post #14 of 14
I know that you already probably did your test. I just comment for the other people that might want to know.

I think that the first skier is a good example but the hand are a little low. A friend of mine described open parallel as skiing with a hangover. Not too much dynamic. The third skier put too much edge angle, I think for that demo. He should be more gradual on the edge engagement and release.

I am not an examiner so they mignt think differently. Usually the examiner will demo The task for you. Try to emulate his demo as closely as possible since it is what he expected from you. The demo might vary slightly between examiners so emulate as closely the one that judges you.
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