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Quest for the perfect ski

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I am a male 6’-3”, 195lbs, 44 years old. I have been skiing since I was five. I grow up in northern Italy, where I got used to ski on hard icy snow – EC like. For the last 12 years I have been enjoin the West Coast wonderland and I am getting more into the tree skiing and venturing out in the quest for the perfect powder. I am in the state of Washington and I ski at least once a week through the winter, with a couple of 4-5 days trips out to Utah or Colorado. I am an aggressive skier for my age (but not 20 anymore, as my back once in a while reminds me ) and I enjoy any kind of terrain/conditions, although I limit my moguls runs (still enjoy but keep it at a few rounds a day). I love fast carving GS style on groomers or quick slalom turns, as I enjoy tree skiing and powder. I am not interested in big jumps, park and such. Not sure how exactly your rating system work, but I can ski single black aggressively and still do OK on double blacks, just a bit more conscious, specially on a bad conditions day. I am currently skiing on a Fisher AMC 79 that I enjoy and, over the last few years, I successfully used on any kind of terrain.

Here is the one million dollar question, actually two questions for two million dollars. Considering that I am more interested in performances on advance terrain:
-What ski would you recommend, if I would just have to own one pair of ski?
-What ski would you recommend, if I would own to pairs? In this case, would you keep my Fisher as one of them?
I am reading about Volkl (Mantra, Gotama), Nordica (Enforcer, Blower), Fisher (Watea94) but I am completely open to your suggestions.

Thanks a lot for your input.
post #2 of 23
Stockli SC
post #3 of 23
if you dont mind an all-mountain ski the dynastar legend 8000 might not be bad or just keep the fischers and get a powder ski like the legend pro's wich are wider than the 8000. But thats what I would do.
post #4 of 23
i think it's important to ask yourself what kind of ski FEEL do you like, first. a lot of skis (and combos of 2 skis) will meet the performance envelope that you are looking for, but you may not like them because they won't do it in a way that matches your style. do you prefer:

-light or heavy
-soft or stiff
-lively or damp
-forgiving or stable
-short or long turn radius

these are just some of the main questions you should be asking. obviously there are compromises that can be made, and you don't have to pick one POLAR end of the spectrum, but it's good to know which end you tend to lean towards. if you get an idea of which of these characteristics you like, you will be much more likely to end up with skis that just feel "right" the first time you take them out on the snow. like i said, a lot of skis will get you down the hill doing all of the things that you asked for, but they can still feel completely wrong.
post #5 of 23
If you like the Fisher then what isn't it doing for you - sounds like deep powder and powder in trees. So keep it until it needs replacing or is getting a bit tired.

Get whatever allows you to do what you think is missing. It depends on how strong your knees are (really wide skis do load the lateral and medial ligaments) and how much energy you want to put into your skiing.

The Nordica Blower is really good, soft, works well in deep snow but holds a decent edge on hard snow.

Gotama is a bit stiffer but will do the job well.

Not skied the fatter Fischers but heard good things about them.

There really aren't any really bad skis out there anymore - there are different skis that suit different people and different styles.

Essentially you are already on an 'all mountain ski' so if you think your body and mind can make the leap - go really fat and slightly softer than your normal ski and accept that it is not going to feel as precise on hard snow but will be soooo much more fun in the deep snow, powder and exploring the trees.
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 
All Thanks.

northwestnumber1
The Fisher AMC 79 that I own is an overall good ski. If I would just ski groomer I would by a GS pair of ski. My thought was either keep the Fisher or buy a GS pair for no powder days and get a 95 to 105 (better more?) for powder. I red great things about the Dynastar Legend ProRider. I have not ride any of the wider bodies so I have no clue about the feel. I do plan to demo a few but I want to get a sense on a few that I should be focusing on.

lukc
I like stable, weight not a big deal, lively and for the turning radius tough to choose... I equally enjoy tight turns on narrow terrain as I enjoy fast carving on open space.

Andew R
Fisher AMC 79: A bit of chattering at high carving speed. Ok on trees but not spectaculars. Hard work on heavy powder. My knees are OK so far, cross the fingers. I also read good things about the Nordica Blower.
post #7 of 23
The quest for the perfect ski is a journey, not a destination.
post #8 of 23
Thread Starter 
Philbug, I like that, even if with the current economy my quest is going definetly to be a destination...lol

Let's put it this way: If you would have to select 5 skis to demo to complement my Fisher, so more towards powder/trees, considering that I don't ski AK or do helyski (probably 95 to 105 mm?) what would you select?
post #9 of 23
Prior Doughboy in 183 cm - almost local for you. Powder opitmised (taper), short turn radius, easy in the trees, light but still handles crud well. Get a 1 base/ 88 side and it will grip on the hard stuff enough to get to and from the stashes.
post #10 of 23
This is simple,

Volkl AC50 or Blizzard Magnum 8.1 or 8.7

Than again do you really have good technique ?

There are a lot of good skis out there, but no ski will make up for bad form.
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sciatore View Post
Philbug, I like that, even if with the current economy my quest is going definetly to be a destination...lol

Let's put it this way: If you would have to select 5 skis to demo to complement my Fisher, so more towards powder/trees, considering that I don't ski AK or do helyski (probably 95 to 105 mm?) what would you select?
Watea 94
Hart ONe
Mantra
Elan 999
PMGear Bro
post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks.

Andrew R
The Prior Doughboy looks interesting. Didn't know about that ski.

Max Capacity
Yes, good tecnique. As a "one ski quiver" The Volkl AC50 looks good. What would be your suggestion for a "two skis quiver"?

Philbug
Thanks. I had the Watea94 on my list and I was not sure if Mantra or Gotama. Don't know much about the others but I will check them out.
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sciatore View Post

Philbug
Thanks. I had the Watea94 on my list and I was not sure if Mantra or Gotama. Don't know much about the others but I will check them out.
There won't be much out there on the Hart ONe, but it is a very nice ski.
The Elan is a pretty stout stick along with the Mantra. The Bro is a sweet ski at 99 underfoot.
post #14 of 23
AC50's and Gotama

Also listen to Phil, even though he changes skis like James Bond changes women...lol
post #15 of 23
Thread Starter 
lol....Good for Phil. I wish I could go like James Bond...Well for the women too...lol

Last question, for my size should I stick in the 183-185 cm height?

Thanks again for your input.
M
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sciatore View Post
lol....Good for Phil. I wish I could go like James Bond...Well for the women too...lol

Last question, for my size should I stick in the 183-185 cm height?

Thanks again for your input.
M
At least, maybe even a 190ish. Take the Hart off the list, it only comes in a 182, not enough ski for you. Maybe replace with the Hart Boss or PMGear SuperBro (same skis) 191/91/111 in a 195, both of these skis are made in Italy by one of the best ski builders in the world.
post #17 of 23
Where will you be skiing in WA? Where have you skied here or on the west coast in general?
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by Sciatore View Post
lol....Good for Phil. I wish I could go like James Bond...Well for the women too...lol

Last question, for my size should I stick in the 183-185 cm height?

Thanks again for your input.
M
Sciatore, I am your height, 210 lbs and 39 yrs old but I guess I ski 220 - 240 days per year. Definitely you want minimum 183cm, longer than that and one needs to decide the priorities of stability when going fast, turnability for trees and float. The wider you go the shorter end of the spectrum one can consider.

I have Stockli DP Pro (94mm underfoot) in 193cm but these always need to be skied hard and one ends up going stupid fast on them all the time - very exhausting. They are an awesome 'big mountain' ski made for a high energy hard charging skier.

I am getting a Prior Overlord in 183cm as it jumps me to 113mm underfoot but with a shorter turn radius and rockered tip and tail which will make it far more easy to turn at slower speeds in deep snow in the trees. I am going to be able to get lots of treed/ powder skiing here at Whistler so for me it is worth it.

So it is a balance - you are doing on your AMC79 what I do on my Rotors (76mm underfoot) which I ski very short (compromise for teaching - lots of 'walking' back uphill and skiing backwards watching beginner students).

The best ski for the money that you have listed is probably the Blower in 185cm, a very solid ski but with a softer tip and tail and quite turny for its length.

As always demo if you can before you buy. One could go nuts (wait I have) and have the right ski for every occasion but it is up to you and with your AMC and a fat, soft powder ski you will be able to enjoy yourself in all conditions.
post #19 of 23
IMO, you need to slow yourself down a bit and figure out what you want. If it's an all mountain ski with groomers in mind....fine you have one. A ski like the oft mentioned AC-50 will not improve on your Fischers much (if at all) in soft snow. It will however improve the grip on hard snow, but is that what you want or need? If so, that's what you should get.

OTH if what you want is improvement in softer and especially deeper snow, another wide carver like many of the skis mentioned would not get you enough benefit to make it worthwhile.

So, what is it?...................One ski or two?

If it's one, you need to state you priorities for improvement over what you have.

If it's two, I'd suggest keeping your Fischers and looking to supplement in the range of 95-105mm. Maybe even wider depending on you.

SJ
post #20 of 23
Thread Starter 
Philbug
Thanks. Hey Italy, the mother land! I don't mind to support their economy....

Spindrift
I have a season pass at Steven Pass but I do venture out in other locations around here (Crystal, Baker and once in a while to Whistler). I go down to Utah once a year for 4-5 days -- Deer Valley, Alta, Canyons... -- and this year I will do bot Utah and Colorado. My friend just relocate to Colorado, so I am taking the opportunity to go down.

Andrew R
Lucky you, 240 days of skiing a year !! Gosh, I should change my job...Thanks for suggestions

SierraJim
If anything I would rather have improvement in softer. I can definetly keep the Fisher and go for a wider one. I was thinking in the 95-105, but again, I never skiied a wide body or a rocker before, so I don't have a frame of reference nor I understand what kind of difference you would have from a 95 a 105 or a 110. I plan to collect input for a while from you guys (I try to stay away from ski shops 'cause they have the tendencies to try to sell you what they have and what needs to be moved) and go up in December for Demo Day with let's say 5 skis to try.
post #21 of 23
Well, in that case, here's my .02 from a similar thread the other day:

Quote:
Different strokes... I've never skied the PDX area, but for points north + UT, my "demo" list would look roughly like:

Hell Bents
EP Pros
Czars
S7s
JJs
Katanas
Huge Troubles
Lhasa Pows
Sir Francis Bacons
D-Senders

Maybe in the more conventional and narrower ( ) realm,look at Icelantic Nomads (the bigger ones), Dough Boys, Gotamas, P100, etc...

In general, these kinds of skis compromise on the crappy days. And they won't be your best ever "technical" skis the way folks here use that term. But they do fine on average days & kill it on the great ones. Fat and rockered definitely makes the heavy deep PNW days easier - heck, just a ton more fun IMO. And the wide-ish rockered (tip or overall)/flat skis are great PNW spring skis. I expect to see a ton of HBs and EP Pros as day to day skis up here this year...

So the big question is which conditions and terrain do you want to compromise away?
post #22 of 23
Hey Lukc   really liked the info  on style of skiing  for one quiver skiis  Certainly good food for thought!!!
post #23 of 23
57 yo canuck/in kiwiland envious of all you northern hemisphere people enjoying your snow. 3 months since our season finished in New Zealand and I am going through withdrawal  I just didn't get a big enough fix this year.
Can any of the Epic regulars give me any info pro or con on  the Flo Ski I have been to the wesite Does it have real merit of is it a bit of a gimmick like snow blades??
Looking to replace 10yr old Salomon X-Screams(190cm) and have been looking for a 60/40 or 7/30 groomed to ungroomed. I am a strong intermediate Like everyone else looking for that one ski tat will do everything and make us all J.C. Killy there does sthat daate me so be it OTHERWISE I would be looking for  K2 Recon / Elan Magfire around 180cm  Me 6'5" tall (196cm) Weight 220lbs(100kg) and most visited ski field is Turoa at  www.mtruapehu.com and the spring skiing I tend to do the most of is: groomed slopes where in the mornings just off can be extreme hard crust or icy and venturing with the Mt Hosts guided torurs off the groomed slopes but still in the patrolled grounds. Any and all comments welcomed ?? Philpug
Edited by casey9 - Today at 12:00 & FORGET the floskis comment I only had to do a avanced research to 2004 to see some interesting replies re:  the Flos and NO I DON"T WANT TO OPEN THAT OLD THREAD AGAIN!!! Should have looked first!!
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