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post #31 of 76
Fight for Balance
Keep on Turning
and the mountain will teach you.

One of my favorites

post #32 of 76
Nolo, my post was a direct response to your query. The tip I presented was representative of the achievement principles ingrained in me from an early age that have served me well in all aspects of life, including skiing. I have passed it on to hundreds of students and have personally witnessed the power of the lesson's affect on their success in skiing and life. In my experience no technical tip can come close to having the amount of influence on ultimate achievement levels in skiing as this, and so I chose to take the time to share it.

Ryan, you appear to attempt to debate with me something I have no contention with, and in the process seem to have missed and removed focus from the real message of my post. Of course little technical tips can turn on the light of comprehension for students, but my post was focused on the crucial element necessary to take the student from the state of neophyte understanding to high level skill development.

I guess there comes a point when rationality and logic must come to the forefront. Perhaps for me that point is now.

Gee Mr. Wizard, I think it's time for this one to go home.
post #33 of 76
Thread Starter 

Your advice is terrific. The WILL to let your light shine is no small thing. Sometimes our additions are building on what others say, not contentious but complementary, which was my intent in suggesting that inconsequential tips can crystallize a nagging issue for a skier and thus be transformed into epiphanies. This in no way discounts your advice that persistence is the key to success.
post #34 of 76
and here i'd thought i was providing a direct response to nolo's query.

further proof of "appearances;" i wasn't debating anything. neither, by the way, did i miss or move focus from your post; it's still there, clear as bell. no argument here with anything you said. doesn't happen overnight, right? got that. we agree. the end? all contentiousness unintended.

returned to topic.

[ August 06, 2003, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: ryan ]
post #35 of 76
Originally posted by Alaska Mike:
"Don't fight gravity- gravity always wins. Weight/extend in the fall line, unweight/release on traverses." -paraphrasing several coaches, including Lolly Moss, Clint Lentfer, and Michel Pratte.

"Chin up, eyes ahead" -an article I read in one of the ski mags this year.

"Put your bellybutton in front of your boots" -Lolly Moss.

"Use an open-hand pole plant instead of a closed plant" -Sparky Anderson.

"Wide stance, cowboy turns" -Lolly Moss and Michel Pratte.

...there's a bunch more that helped my skiing in various ways, but these in particular are going to be focal points early next season.
Is Lolly Moss still instructing at Alyeska? She was very close friend of mine when I worked there 20 years ago.

The best tip I ever got (also during that time period): Never fall above a cliff. Reid Bahnson.
post #36 of 76
Ryan & Nolo, thanks for your clarifications/endorsements and sorry for my misread.
post #37 of 76
What is all this jibba jabba...wait...ooooh, "Great Tips"...I got it...sorry, never mind.

[ August 06, 2003, 01:55 PM: Message edited by: Mr_T ]
post #38 of 76
Originally posted by Wear the fox hat:
One I was told was: Lead with the inside knee.
Ah yes Fox, the cowboy turn as I understand it. I was so giddy with that acheivment at ESA I that I nearly rode that outside edge into a face plant many times.

"Nose and knees over toes hips over ankles". Though it may be a little static, it helped me get upright and centered on my skis.
post #39 of 76
Sometimes you have a student that just cannot understand placing weight on their ski to cause a turn, especially to weight the left ski to turn right and the right ski to turn left. This tip works with some, but others just give you a blank stare. Tell them, without lifting their ski off the snow to raise their toes and press them to the top of their boot, one foot at a time. Lift the left toes to turn left then lift the right toes to turn right. This really is nothing more than a weight shift, but sometimes it works.

By the way, this is fun to do when skiing cat tracks.

post #40 of 76
A lot of students interpret "pressure the ski' to mean push the ski. so they end up pushing the ski out to the side and bracing against it. Some have been doing it for years.

There's a variety of ways to explain it and then get them to do it and feel it, but the tip that seems to have the most light-bulbs going off is to liken it to the child proof cap on a bottle of pills. You have to push down on it, then turn it. When I use that one, we are all then on the same wave-length! Then we can use the various drills to get them balancing on the ski.

And to get them moving onto the correct ski, I find the greatest success with just skiing on their tails for a few turns, talking them through the weight change and turn. I did this with every person in a 9-person level 4 lesson the other day, and you needed sunglasses to cope with all the light-bulbs flashing on!

I've been teaching every day since mid june, and am having my first days off! These things have been really effective for me this season.

The other big tip is to be taught to teach skiing in the US. I daily offer up thanks that I started my teaching career there, as the ATS equips one with so much more knowledge to draw upon, rather than "follow me" which is so prevalent elsewhere.
post #41 of 76
"Ohhhh, I get it. Skiing happens in the FEET"

a student once said to me after discussing tipping and big toe/little tow, cleverly summarizing the previous two hours of lessons.

post #42 of 76
For those that are interested, Lolly Moss is coaching Alyeska Ski Club racers (Masters and Juniors) on a private basis now. She dedicates a lot of time to producing great skiers for the club, and helps out with the town league. From what I can tell, she doesn't have any formal association with the Alyeska Ski School anymore. She's done wonders for my skiing in the few lessons I've had with her, and I only wish I had've started sooner with her. This season I'm not wasting any time.

Small world, isn't it?
post #43 of 76
hey NOLO... neat topic. here's my addition:

My skiing/instructing hero, Dutch at Waterville Valley (also a PSIA-E examiner), and I were riding a double chair during a staff clinic. I was fairly new to skiing and instructing and was talking about my legs wearing out.

Dutch thought for a minute and then pointed to some skiers and explained to me that "about 75% of skiers push their skis away from their bodies when turning... the other 25% move their bodies away from their skis." I thought about what he was REALLY TELLING me and smiled at him and said "I'm a pusher." He smiled and replied, "yes, you are." From that second I knew I had to learn how to move my body away from my skis!

This was my skiing epiphany. But, if you know Dutch - you know he is epiphany-worthy!
post #44 of 76
Sometimes we go looking for "quotes" from "experts" yet the "quotes" we are looking for are already inside us all. Learning to listen to the "inner expert" is what makes the quotes from the paid "experts" a "happening" instead of just more words.

Disski skis good. Lots of dedication to a personal goal. Her "inner expert" is starting to rise to the top of the "expert" tree. LM ya need to ski with Dis ...

At 42, the only person I scare is myself.

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #45 of 76
Originally posted by FastMan:
The great thing I have seen repeated over and over is that when these achievement principles are fully employed the students preconceived potential limitations are often eclipsed and they go on to achieve things beyond what they initially envisioned possible. I'm sure you can attest to that also Disski.

Oh yeah - when I started skiing I would have been happy (& was eventually) to ski down Friday Flat on my own (Yes it matches its' name - it is a purpose built beginner teaching area)
I was SOOOO determined to prove that doctor wrong & show I COULD ski safely

Then I would have been happy to ski comfortably on the 'next bit' of the hill (in any fashion at all - just so I felt comfortable) ....

Then I could NEVER have conceived skiing parallel in ANY fashion - dammit I would NOT let go of my instructor to start with!

Now I get stressed because:
I don't have the guts to do long turns down High Noon & NOT pull them across the slope on the steep pitch (DISCIPLINE I keep being told.. aaarrrrrggghhhh)
I am not comfortable on FunnelWeb
I start 'misbehaving' on slopes like The Bluff & do dodgy turns

Slightly different expectations these days...

[ August 07, 2003, 02:12 AM: Message edited by: disski ]
post #46 of 76
Originally posted by FastMan:
Show me someone who has come to realize their true potential in skiing and I will show you a person that has a solid grasp on achievement formula and is successful in any life endeavor they choose to engage.

Ooops - sorry total flop at the rest of the equation.... except for the odd win with a patient who reappears to thank me....
post #47 of 76
Originally posted by man from Oz:
Disski skis good. Lots of dedication to a personal goal. Her "inner expert" is starting to rise to the top of the "expert" tree. LM ya need to ski with Dis ...

At 42, the only person I scare is myself.

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]
Nah - except for Wednesday last week & a few days at the start of the season (in crappy conditions mostly) Disski is skiing badly this season.... BUT ... she IS starting to fret a bit less ... Thanks for the skiing Oz... I WILL get it together some time soon & hopefully we can ski together again this season [img]smile.gif[/img]

Told ya you're scary

Had fun 'playing' with an Austrian instructor today after someone messed up my lessons... He says I ski OK - but really need a lot of work on the short turns ... YES! (amongst a few other things)
Been 'playing' in the race course & it is slowly getting less scary... I even made the (maybe fatal) mistake of asking the race dept guys how I could play there more : I think I'm losing it...

Anyhow - ski school is impressed with the progress given the starting point "What do you mean you've been skiing The Bluff all afternoon?"

Inner expert - I wish... oh well - if I want to ski like Frank at Frank's age I suppose I still have time to work on it...
post #48 of 76
Ok just for Fastman...

Argue for your limitations & sure enough they're yours - Richard Bach
(One reason the 'c' word - can't - was banned from my vocabulary while skiing - nothing I can't do - only stuff I haven't yet LEARNT how to do)

You are never given a wish without also being given the power to make it true. You may have to work for it, however. - Richard Bach
post #49 of 76
Fly high little gull!!
post #50 of 76
post #51 of 76
To Succeed you have to believe in something with such Passion, it becomes a Reality
post #52 of 76
Great tips? 55 years ago by Sigi: "Follow me" and I've never looked back since [img]smile.gif[/img]

post #53 of 76
Also, the old "Shoot the Glute" move. Forgot about that one.
post #54 of 76
Don't eat yellow snow.
post #55 of 76

I believe the quote was "watch out for the yellow snow don't go where the huskies go"

Anyone who can name the song gets bonus points.
post #56 of 76
Its Zappa, of course, but I can't remember the exact title ... maybe "Nanook Of The North" or something like that.

Tom / PM
post #57 of 76
Well, guess what ... I just googled Zappa and Nanook, and that is the song I was thinking of ("Nanook Rubs It"), and it has lots of lines in it about yellow snow, but not the one you mentioned. Now, I don't know WHERE it really comes from. All these years, I thought it was Zappa's. I'll probably do some more Googling.

Anyway, here are two sites to the lyrics for the Zappa song:


http://display.lyrics.astraweb.com:2000/display.cgi?frank_zappa..apostrophe..nanook_rubs_i t

Tom / PM
post #58 of 76
Oooops forgot this one

"Momentum is your friend"
post #59 of 76
My search of “don’t eat yellow snow” lists the phrase as being from the Amerindian Eskimo language (Inuktitut). It roughly translates to Inuktitut as “icky pew yucky”. Instructors to describe certain types of turns often use this same phrase.
This concludes todays language lesson.
No mention was made of Zappa.

[ August 09, 2003, 09:29 AM: Message edited by: BillA ]
post #60 of 76
I'm sure it was Zappa as to the lyrics side of this debate. It was one of his few songs that got air play. I never heard the phrase used as a ski tip.
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