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Atomic binding heel failures

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
I have some Atomic Race 412's from like 04-05 both heels have failed, the first one the shop had a replacement 614 heel he gave me then about 10 days of skiing later the other 412 heel failed.
The shop mgr. said he'd sent dozens of the Atomics back for the same thing. He's trying to get some replacements from Atomic.
Then numerous fellow racers, have had similar heel failures with Atomic both 412's and 614's.


I need to get some Race 614's for some Atomic SL12 skis but wonder how common this failure has been and if I should look for some 08-09 bindings in the hopes that whatever problems they had a few years back have been solved.

What's the story on this? How long will Atomic warranty these?
post #2 of 25
Find a shop that will send back the entire binding to Atomic. I had two pairs of 6.14 that had the heels crack. Atomic replaced both pairs, each were around 3 years old. If you're planning on getting a new pair for your SL12s, I'd go for the 10.18 since they have an aluminum heel.
post #3 of 25
10.18's are the only real answer. The plastic heel cups break right at the hinge point. There is a very small amount of plastic there and it is a definite weak point.

We don't even have an Atomic dealer in town, so not many locals ski on Atomic, and even so I have personally witnessed 4 broken pair.
post #4 of 25
From the Atomic binding tech manual; "...finish installing bindings, test, and wait 3-4 weeks for the heels to break."
post #5 of 25
Thread Starter 
Are the newer 614's any better?

If I could find some 10-18's for a good deal ($100) I'd buy them.

At this point I feel like I'll need to carry around a extra heel piece and pozi driver in a pocket like a spare tire and tire iron.
When one breaks I'll pull over and fix it like it's business as usual.

On one heel something broke and heels piece was all off axis, on the other one, it's almost like spring broke, or some cam was broken, you could put the skis on but a slight fwd lean and they pop open.
post #6 of 25
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Originally Posted by Morair View Post
On one heel something broke and heels piece was all off axis, on the other one, it's almost like spring broke, or some cam was broken, you could put the skis on but a slight fwd lean and they pop open.
I went through 3-4 pairs of heels and they were replaced but after the 2nd failure I never could trust them again. More times than I'd like to remember of skiing on 1 board from a pre-release heel blow-off. One pair of SX614 left that have stayed together. They will go away after this season.
post #7 of 25
Ive never seen a 4:12 or 6:14 that didnt break in the heal.
post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 

So Atomic bindings suck?

Are the newer ones 08-09 or 07-08 any better?

This sucks what is Atomic doing about it?
Apparently they haven't fixed the problem if the replacements are doing the same thing.
If this is so well known how are shops still carrying/selling them?

What can any reps or shop owners tell me about this?
post #9 of 25
The newer Neox bindings I haven't had a problem with it's the older ones. Centro and Xentrix.
post #10 of 25
Thread Starter 
My problem and many others apparently is with the Race/Carve 412's and 614's

I can't believe there hasn't been a recall or something.
I just saw some Atomic skis w/ Race 412 bindings on Craigslist, they said that the heel on one binding didn't work.

I'm just trying to find out if they fixed the problem or what.
I called/emailed Atomic in Utah. We'll see if they respond.
This is ridiculous.
Like Slider even w/ replacements every time I carve hard on a race course over some ruts, I'm going to worry that the heel will fail and I'll end up in a tree trunk.

So has Atomic fixed this or are they willing to remedy my problem?
post #11 of 25
Quote:
So has Atomic fixed this or are they willing to remedy my problem?
No one here can speak directly for Atomic.....ask them.

SJ
post #12 of 25
Atomic has just launched a recall of these bindings made between 1998 and 2002. Details are available here:

http://www.atomicsnow.com/us/consumer-service.html
post #13 of 25
If any of you still have these bindings, Atomic has finally launched a global recall for bindings made between 1998 and 2002. Details of models involved can be found by clicking on the link at the bottom right hand corner of the Atomic web site.

http://www.atomicsnow.com/us/consumer-service.html
post #14 of 25

Recalling 10 year old bindings

That's what I love about manufacturers - I guess they figure all the bindings have been landfilled by now, so its safe to do the recall. My son was just about to get into the starting gate a couple of years ago, kicked his GS11s to get the snow off, and one of the skis fell off. Good thing it happened then and not 30 seconds later.
post #15 of 25
I dont see any mention of any of the 614 models on Atomic's recall list. What part of the heel is it that breaks?
post #16 of 25

There's nothing wrong with atomic bindings

I know.

I brought this up here 5 years ago and was told it was all in my imagination.

Some people, if it hasn't happened to them, it hasn't happened.
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by wizard View Post
I dont see any mention of any of the 614 models on Atomic's recall list. What part of the heel is it that breaks?
Both of my 614s that broke were replaced without question. The part of the heel that breaks is the plastic cup that holds your heel in place. The break point is where this heel cup is connected to the rest of the bindings (see black pin in photo on Atomic website link). I only ski on 1018s now. I gave both new pairs of the 614s to my girlfriend who hasn't had any problems (yet). She does weight about 75 pounds less than me though.
post #18 of 25
My local evening news show had a story about this last night.

I'll bring both pairs of Atomic skis (R11's & 10EX) to VT tonight and see about getting replacements. One of my house mates is an Atomic Rep, boy is he in for a tough weekend...LOL
post #19 of 25
5 out of the last 6 bindings that have failed the "forward lean" release test in my shop have been Atomics.
post #20 of 25
So in conclusion I should mount my new Atomic DH 215's with the 10.18?  Has any one had any issues with this binding/ Thanks B
post #21 of 25
I am not sure about other issues, but I know that the 412s and 614s had to have the forward pressure adjusted without the boot in the binding, but I think that with all (or almost all) other binding this could be done with the boot in the binding.  Put boot in binding, adjust binding forward to appropriate mark and you are done, but on the old 412 and 614 Atomics you had to put boot in binding, look at mark, take boot out, adjust, put boot back in, look at mark, take boot out, repeat until the adjustment screw was on the proper spot.  If you adjusted them like all other bindings (with the boot in them) you stripped the adjustment screw and they would pre-release, afterwhich they would probably be adjusted farther and farther forward trying to remedy the pre-release, until they broke.  If I am correct, hundreds of clueless "binding techs" screwed up thousands of Atomic bindings, which is something different than the recall on some year's models of the same bindings.

I have been using the 412s and 614s for years with no problem.  The one pair I got on some used skis had heel pre-release problems that could not be fixed with out replacing the entire heel pieces.
post #22 of 25


I've never had any problems with these:

post #23 of 25
Those are Salomon bindings.Nothing like the Race/Device/Xentrix stuff that got recalled.
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by Squawker View Post

Those are Salomon bindings.Nothing like the Race/Device/Xentrix stuff that got recalled.

Just a guess.....  but I have a feeling he knows that.
post #25 of 25

Couldn't find any pictures online showing the failure mode.  This just happened to my Xentrix 614's (see pic -- left heel cup is twisted outward), following a fall (though maybe this created the fall!). Can anyone tell me if this corresponds to a typical failure for these bindings?  Based on what hanzi0 wrote, the typical failure is in the attachment of the heel cup to the bindings, rather than a splitting of the heel cup itself ("The break point is where this heel cup is connected to the rest of the bindings").  I ask because, if this is not a standard failure mode, it suggests my next binding should feature lateral release at the heel!

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