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post #121 of 146
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
Sorry for interrupting your very important geek-spewage about .5 degree differences in base bevel with photos of icky girls. Hopefully you won't get cooties or girl-germs from viewing them.
Reminder, this is Epic, and she's like 30ish.

post #122 of 146
haha, and here I was thinking:

post #123 of 146
Who is this Keri Byron chic anyway?
Is she the girl on Mythbusters?


Oh, I agree that an average skier would notice if you secretly changed their bevel from 1.0 to 0.5 degrees, in typical Ontario Canada conditions. They would keep tripping over there sticking outside edges when they tried to ski sideways (which they seem to do a lot of ).
post #124 of 146
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Originally Posted by Garrett View Post
haha, and here I was thinking:

Go on admit it. You would hit it.
post #125 of 146
...like the fist of an angry god.
post #126 of 146
And adamantium claws too! Cool!
post #127 of 146
I think he was referring to the "tracking groove". It was a carry-over from nordic skis. Waxable classic-stride XC skis still have this.

As far as base edge bevel - I used to really worry about it 20 years ago when I raced. Now I have absolutely no idea whatsoever what the bevels are on any of my skis. Then again all I have are a bunch of fat skis. Once in a while I hold the ski in one hand with the tail on the floor and run a panzar file down the side edges.
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POWDERGEDDON NOW!

**** I almost fainted when I read that **** Instead I just shreaked, and woke up the baby.
post #128 of 146
I recently gave some of my time at a locak ski swap. There were very few rules, except that they would accept no skis over 170, and no straight skis... pretty easy right. This one mallokah went up one side of me and down the other because I would not take his old Rossi straight skis. "Don't you think a really good skier would want these" he asked me. "Don't you think the ski companies are dumbing down skiing by making easy to turn shaped skis?" I was laughing right at the guy, and disagreed with his every point. He finally said to me, "YOu know, none of thr professional skiers are using these shaped skis" and withthat, he put his Rossis back in his truck, and left... dejected and confused...

You people and your dumbed down shaped skis are ruining this sport for the rest of us!

Unreal!
post #129 of 146
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Originally Posted by Chandy14ski View Post
no skis over 170
Funny, I don't remember NH being populated by particularly small people.
post #130 of 146
I've learned to stay out of these threads. I'm proud of myself for not reading past post #1. Didn't need to.

Here is my guess at a quick synopsis of the last 5 or so pages...

OP: No evidence that bevels make a difference to most.

Several people: Yes, it matters tons!! Lots of anecdotal, non specific evidence.

OP: I SAID STUDIES, OR PROOF!!

Atomicman: Several posts about how much he knows, combined with needles and jabs telling anyone with a differing opinion that they are stupid, and HE and HE ALONE is the final word on this issue.

People who live in Utah: What's a bevel? We only ski powder and don't need edges.

Alpinord: various drawings, diagrams and pictures to illustrate bevels.

Atomicman: Becoming increasingly irritated, takes it to a new level.... starts to REALLY STRONGLY insist that not only are bevel extremely important, but 0.2* makes a very noticeable difference.

Various posters: disagree that such a small amount could matter

Science geek: figures out in thousandths what .2* difference is.

Atomicman: says going from .5* to .7* is a 40% increase in bevel.

Blah, blah, blah, blah........


I've seen this thread a million times....

How close did I come?
post #131 of 146
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
I've seen this thread a million times....

How close did I come?



You totally missed the Kari Byron PedoBear bypass.

And the bits about iceboats accelerating to light speed.

And the bits about propellers on treadmills.

And a pretty neat way to use a table saw angle gauge.

Otherwise,
post #132 of 146
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post



You totally missed the Kari Byron PedoBear bypass.

And the bits about iceboats accelerating to light speed.

And the bits about propellers on treadmills.

And a pretty neat way to use a table saw angle gauge.

Otherwise,
Actually some of that stuff sounds interesting....

Kari Byron... is that the chick on Mythbusters with the large chesticles?

Maybe I'll go back and read through it all... slow day at work today.
post #133 of 146
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Atomicman: Several posts about how much he knows, combined with needles and jabs telling anyone with a differing opinion that they are stupid, and HE and HE ALONE is the final word on this issue.

Atomicman: Becoming increasingly irritated, takes it to a new level.... starts to REALLY STRONGLY insist that not only are bevel extremely important, but 0.2* makes a very noticeable difference.
Yeah dumbass, you gotta a problem with that?
post #134 of 146
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
I've learned to stay out of these threads.

How close did I come?
psst!! don't let on---there is a sidewall planing thread 2 doors down .....


just sayin
post #135 of 146
This just came to me.... (I don't know how I think of these things... sometimes I amaze myself)

How 'bout this:

If you feel like bevels make a difference, and you want to do it, go ahead.

If not, don't.
post #136 of 146
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
I've seen this thread a million times....

How close did I come?
Add: UP Racer, yet again, reads a thread for the millionth time so he can push A'man's buttons and anyone else around.

Granted....the insults and personal attacks need to stop. This is a recreational sport, about fun and personal preferences with some learning tossed in for those still on their personal learning curve or different perspectives. Personal experimenting is good and encouraged relative to known benchmarks.....including skill level, equipment and snow types.

Happy Thanksgiving and please let it snow so the focus is on maximizing endorphin generation and not tuning minutia.
post #137 of 146
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Originally Posted by Alpinord View Post
Add: UP Racer, yet again, reads a thread, he thinks he's above, for the millionth time so he can push A'man's buttons and anyone else around.
No. Mostly just Atomicman.
post #138 of 146
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
No. Mostly just Atomicman.
I'm just sitting here laughing at you!
post #139 of 146
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
No. Mostly just Atomicman.
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
I'm just sitting here laughing at you!
Maybe we need to set you two up in a locked rubber room with a web cam?

Offsetting penalties.
(here, I'll post yet another illustration. 'cause graphics is what I do):





PERSONAL FOUL
One wrist striking the other above head.
Same signal followed by swinging leg:
Roughing the Kicker.
Same signal followed by raised arm
swinging forward:
Roughing the Passer.
Same signal followed by grasping
facemask: Major Facemask.
post #140 of 146
If you can figure out how to blow a whistle or throw a flag on the internet, we will be all set.
post #141 of 146
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
I've learned to stay out of these threads. I'm proud of myself for not reading past post #1. Didn't need to.

Here is my guess at a quick synopsis of the last 5 or so pages...

OP: No evidence that bevels make a difference to most.

Several people: Yes, it matters tons!! Lots of anecdotal, non specific evidence.

OP: I SAID STUDIES, OR PROOF!!

Atomicman: Several posts about how much he knows, combined with needles and jabs telling anyone with a differing opinion that they are stupid, and HE and HE ALONE is the final word on this issue.

People who live in Utah: What's a bevel? We only ski powder and don't need edges.

Alpinord: various drawings, diagrams and pictures to illustrate bevels.

Atomicman: Becoming increasingly irritated, takes it to a new level.... starts to REALLY STRONGLY insist that not only are bevel extremely important, but 0.2* makes a very noticeable difference.

Various posters: disagree that such a small amount could matter

Science geek: figures out in thousandths what .2* difference is.

Atomicman: says going from .5* to .7* is a 40% increase in bevel.

Blah, blah, blah, blah........


I've seen this thread a million times....

How close did I come?
Laugh of the day!
post #142 of 146
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
I'm just sitting here laughing at you!
Perfect! That's what I was after... a humorous post that people could laugh at.
post #143 of 146
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post
Perfect! That's what I was after... a humorous post that people could laugh at.
Your original post was damn funny and damn clever!

Made me LOL!!!!

but, you take me wayyyyyyy tooooo seriously!

you guys always think i'm pissed off! i am not pissed off! Just have the at full volume!!!!
post #144 of 146
revisionist.
post #145 of 146
Summary:

1) There are bevels that are faster and bevels that are slower based on the snow, pitch, ski, and athlete. Any world cup tech can give you lots of timed data to support this.

2) It's anecdotal, but I don't know anyone who can ski really well that runs on anything less than 0.5 deg. Yes, it's subjective, but it's a sport based on feel, and in this case empricism is good enough .

3) If you think that base bevel doesn't make a difference, you certainly don't ski well enough to be worried about such things. That's not a jab, just a statement of fact. However - ironically - such a person would ski/link/transition far better on at least a one degree bevel.

4) I appreciate the intent of the OP, but there are sooooo many things in skiing that are not objectively measureable and/or reducible due to the amount of interacting variables. There is still a role for expert opinion/experience....
post #146 of 146
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Originally Posted by jdistefa View Post
Summary:

1) There are bevels that are faster and bevels that are slower based on the snow, pitch, ski, and athlete. Any world cup tech can give you lots of timed data to support this.

2) It's anecdotal, but I don't know anyone who can ski really well that runs on anything less than 0.5 deg. Yes, it's subjective, but it's a sport based on feel, and in this case empricism is good enough .

3) If you think that base bevel doesn't make a difference, you certainly don't ski well enough to be worried about such things. That's not a jab, just a statement of fact. However - ironically - such a person would ski/link/transition far better on at least a one degree bevel.

4) I appreciate the intent of the OP, but there are sooooo many things in skiing that are not objectively measureable and/or reducible due to the amount of interacting variables. There is still a role for expert opinion/experience....
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