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Falcon CS or Falcon CS Pro for me?

post #1 of 16
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I'm retiring my Lange 120s

I just got done trying on the Falcon CS (90 flex) and I think I've found my next boot. The shop I'm dealing with doesn't sell the CS Pro (120 flex). The bootfitter, and store manager, thinks the CS would be a great boot for me and that the extra stiffness of the 120 isn't needed.

I weigh 165 pounds, strong skier, 40+ days yearly, 5'9"

The ticklers are that this shop doesn't sell the CS Pro (so there may be an inherent bias to the CS) and I've learned that flexing a boot in the shop isn't a great indicator of on-snow performance.

The other boot which fit well is the Nordica Supercharger although I had some hot spots over the instep.


I'd love to hear from the boot experts as to whether they think the CS is a good choice (as opposed to the CS Pro or Supercharger).

Thanks.
post #2 of 16
I think it's safe to say the CS is going to be significantly softer than your Langes. The CS Pro or Falcon 10 are likely to be much closer in flex to your Langes.

If you don't think you're likely to need the forefoot widened, the Falcon 10 can likely be found for a better price than the CS Pro.

I ended up in the CS Pro rather than the 10 for 2 reasons: The seller didn't have a leftover 10 in my size, and I greatly preferred the aesthetics of the CS Pro. It cost me about $200 more unfortunately. Had the 10 been available, I'd have overlooked my aesthetic preferences and saved the $$.

I paid $669 for my CS Pros, which is out of character for this bargain-shopping always-buy-leftovers mailorder junkie. However, the sales guy spent a lot of time helping me try many boots, and I felt it worthwhile to spend the extra $$ to find the right boot.

I passed over the falcons several times in my quest for new boots, as I feared they were too wide (I'm a 13.5 B shoe size). As I tried numerous boots, I eventually came back to the Falcon and began to realize how it was the only boot that hugged my foot uniformly virtually everywhere - resulting in no pinches or tight spots, but reasonably snug.

I had a 28.5 on my foot for about 20 minutes before concluding it was going to be too tight. I ended up in a 29, which is nice and snug without any discomfort.


AM.
post #3 of 16
I have the Falcon 10's. Best boots i've ever worn.
post #4 of 16
Boots stiffen in the cold. The CS might be fine. They will be softer than the Lange, but that may not be a bad thing. Try the CS Pro at a different shop and you should be able to decide. By the way, I weigh 165 also and was on stiffer boots last season and switched to the CS this year. No regrets.
post #5 of 16
the cs pro is a 110 not a 120 flex

as i mentioned in the other falcon thread, after skiing the 10 last year, molding my own CS pros this year, molding about 10 cs and 8 or so cs pros for customers, i would say that you would always be happier taking the pro and softening the shell if its a bit much for you. the liner is SOOOOO much better in the pro...better grip, better ankle hold, better heel hold, more responsive tongue..

the liner in the cs feels like a junior boot to me...all squishy and soft...
post #6 of 16
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Originally Posted by broad View Post
the cs pro is a 110 not a 120 flex

as i mentioned in the other falcon thread, after skiing the 10 last year, molding my own CS pros this year, molding about 10 cs and 8 or so cs pros for customers, i would say that you would always be happier taking the pro and softening the shell if its a bit much for you. the liner is SOOOOO much better in the pro...better grip, better ankle hold, better heel hold, more responsive tongue..

the liner in the cs feels like a junior boot to me...all squishy and soft...
The Salomon website states 120 flex for the CS Pro


Returned to the shop last night. The fitter put the Impact 10 liner (which he says is the same as the CS Pro liner) in the CS. I seem to prefer the better liner which provided an overall snugger fit. I also tried a set of Falcon 10. The 10 definitely feels closer in flex to my Langes.

I'm leaning towards the CS Pro - for the liner. Shop says I can make the flex of the CS & CS Pro nearly identical by removing/installing the 2 hex bolts in the heel region so I'm not concerned about fine tuning the flex. The other "upgrads" to the CS Pro is the wider power strap which is going to be immediately replaced with my Booster World Cups. So really, it's all about the liner for $100 and I think that's money well spent.

Thanks for the comments.
post #7 of 16
regardless of what the salomon website says, the boot is a 110 flex...

i sold 2 of them today...plainly says 110 on the side...i also have my own pair in the spare bedroom right now...also a 110 flex

unless maybe they changed the flex for the us vs. canada or something crazy like that?

regardless, id agree with you that the extra $100 is money well spent for that liner.

edit: check the salomon site..if you check the 360 view youll see the 110...someone probably just made a typo when designing the website
post #8 of 16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by broad View Post
regardless of what the salomon website says, the boot is a 110 flex...

i sold 2 of them today...plainly says 110 on the side...i also have my own pair in the spare bedroom right now...also a 110 flex

unless maybe they changed the flex for the us vs. canada or something crazy like that?

regardless, id agree with you that the extra $100 is money well spent for that liner.

edit: check the salomon site..if you check the 360 view youll see the 110...someone probably just made a typo when designing the website
Gotcha.

I ordered the CS Pro today. Will have them on Tuesday.

Thanks
post #9 of 16
I have a slightly wide foot and could not get a good fit out of the original Falcon. I just bought a pair of CS Pro's, (marked with a 110 flex) and had the shell molded for my foot. Awesome how well it adapts to a wide forefoot! I skied them yesterday and could not believe how much better these are than the first gen falcons, (for a wide foot). The liner is sweet! Very well made and sturdy. Two people I saw have new Falcons , too. They both said they have a narrow foot and did not have the shell molded. Wild, same boot fits narrow and wide feet!


Only complaint I had was as the temp dropped when the storm approached, (11" new snow!) down to around 15* my feet got cold,(but so did the rest of me, too.)
post #10 of 16
Thread Starter 
Mine are working out great. I needed a little heat molding on one foot, no work necessary on the other.

As others have said, these liners are cold. Thank goodness for hotronic.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by The Squeaky Wheel View Post

I'm leaning towards the CS Pro - for the liner. Shop says I can make the flex of the CS & CS Pro nearly identical by removing/installing the 2 hex bolts in the heel region so I'm not concerned about fine tuning the flex. The other "upgrads" to the CS Pro is the wider power strap which is going to be immediately replaced with my Booster World Cups. So really, it's all about the liner for $100 and I think that's money well spent.

Thanks for the comments.

Hello SW,

You have mentioned you will replace the power strap with Booster World Cups.
What is that ?
I'm planning to buy 2010 model Falcon CS Pro ( I own X-Wave 9.0 for last 6 years). Is this "booster" thing something which makes the boot upper more tight ?

Br, Greg
post #12 of 16
Thread Starter 
Booster strap info here: http://www.skimetrix.com/landing.html

It doesn't make the cuff tighter, it provides a different feel which I like.

It's a relatively cheap and easiliy reversible mod and something I recommend often. Most like it.
post #13 of 16

Hi SW,


Thanks for reccomending me the Booster Strap, I bought it last winter, used and I'm happy it saved me the last winter skiing.

But this winter I must seriously buy new ski boots

 

Br, ripasso

post #14 of 16

I bought a pair of the CS Pros last summer and have just never been able to get them to fit, despite two trips to the bootfitter.  They have done the oven thing, punch outs, whatever but they still kill my feet - squeeze too tight in the forefoot, especially on the left.  Probably my foot is just too wide.  I use Nordica Hot Rods normally but was hoping for a bit stiffer, with better connection to the ski.  I am going back for one last shot, a bit late, but they said that they could try wrapping my feet with some pads and that would cause the boot and liner to expand still more.  Hope it works.

post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 

I recently swapped to a Lange 130 and am happier. I prefer  the Lange's upright stance and stiffer flex - and it just fits my foot better

post #16 of 16

Thanks.  I am really OK with the old Nordicas, but I was hoping for something a bit less sloppy feeling.  I will give it one more shot to see if they can stretch these enough.  Cautionary tale for anyone with even a normal volume foot (like me) who is looking at these.

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