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First Twin Tips? Suggestions please.

post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hey everyone! I am brand new to the site, just have been snoopin' around.

I am on the market for my first pair of twin tips, the only problem is my current Skis, Saloman Screams, are falling apart literally.

I have a few questions: Can I/Should I go to twin tips as my all around ski? Or should I try to designate a pair for alpine skiing, and a pair for the park, or maybe there are twins that can do both?

I am 23 years old, 6'1 210lbs, and have been skiing since about age 5. I just have never taken much interest into gear or twin tips specifically. I have always just gone to Sports Chalet or Sports Authority and picked up something that seemed alright. But I wanted to make a more informed decision this time.

Skiing ability, I love all kinds of terrain, I love bowls, moguls, powder (although we don't get that much) As for skiing level I'd say I'm in between a 7 - 8 depending on the time of the season.

Where I Ski, Tahoe, Mammoth, Utah, Big Bear.

Not sure if it matters but I have the Head i-Type 12 boots. I have huge calves, and probably one day will get some custom fit boots.

Any insights, ideas, and tips are greatly appreciated!
post #2 of 30
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Originally Posted by bigK View Post
Hey everyone! I am brand new to the site, just have been snoopin' around.

I am on the market for my first pair of twin tips, the only problem is my current Skis, Saloman Screams, are falling apart literally.

I have a few questions: Can I/Should I go to twin tips as my all around ski? Or should I try to designate a pair for alpine skiing, and a pair for the park, or maybe there are twins that can do both?

I am 23 years old, 6'1 210lbs, and have been skiing since about age 5. I just have never taken much interest into gear or twin tips specifically. I have always just gone to Sports Chalet or Sports Authority and picked up something that seemed alright. But I wanted to make a more informed decision this time.

Skiing ability, I love all kinds of terrain, I love bowls, moguls, powder (although we don't get that much) As for skiing level I'd say I'm in between a 7 - 8 depending on the time of the season.

Where I Ski, Tahoe, Mammoth, Utah, Big Bear.

Not sure if it matters but I have the Head i-Type 12 boots. I have huge calves, and probably one day will get some custom fit boots.

Any insights, ideas, and tips are greatly appreciated!
Check out the Volkl Bridge, size 177. It may very well be exactly what you're looking for and Volkl is about as good as it gets.
post #3 of 30
Do everything twin-tips? K2 PE's, in 179 for you. They're not made anymore, but you can still find them around for cheap. Their replacements are the K2 Extremes.

Otherwise, the Volkl Bridge, as suggested, and the Line Prophet 90 are also worth looking into.
post #4 of 30
Hi bigK
What´s about a Scott Punisher 182 twin?
post #5 of 30
Head Mojo 90 is also a possibility for you. Good all mountain twin.

Mike
post #6 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hey guys, thanks for all the suggestions and responses. I'm gonna look around the local sporting good places in San Diego and see what is available right now.


Is anyone familiar with any good ski deals for Black Friday? I was hoping maybe I can find a steal, although I am not sure if that is realistic.
post #7 of 30
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Is anyone familiar with any good ski deals for Black Friday? I was hoping maybe I can find a steal, although I am not sure if that is realistic.
Don't hold your breath. It's too early in the season to get big markdowns. If you want big savings, buy something from last year.
post #8 of 30
Just watch Tramdock... the Scott Punishers come up quite a bit and might be about what you're looking for.

Al's Ski Barn (untracked.com) has a lot of last year's models as well for pretty decent prices. But do some research before you buy. Look here, TGR, Freeskier, and even manufacture sites to get more info. And of course if it's at all possible to demo first, definitely go for it.
post #9 of 30
Thread Starter 
Wanted to thank everyone for the insight and input. Pointed me in the right direction and I went out and did some more research.


Initially I was leaning towards the Volkl Bridges because of the praise I heard about them. But I read a few reviews about them not holding up the best under high speeds.

I forgot to mention I'm a speed demon.

So with that in mind I'm considering the Line Prophet 90 or 100. Although I don't feel we get enough powder on the West Coast for the 100? (Maybe some advice here)

Also still considering the Head Mojo 90s.


Lastly will I be able (or rather should I) transfer my old binding from my Salomon Screams, to whatever I end up choosing? I paid $200 for them at the time, I will have to go double check the model/brand.
post #10 of 30
IMO, this works:
Use SEARCH function
Look at 6+ threads on 1 ski quiver for Tahoe and/or all mountain twin tips
There is discussion in the threads of models/sizes/attributes
Screw demos.
Figure out which 2-3 models you'd like to try.
Look on Gear Swap, TGR, eBay for those skis circa 2005-2008 ski seasons
Buy pair in your size with bindings, <3 mounts, and/or mounts at your BSL/type of Sollies, good edges/no bad core shots for a discount.
Mount your Sollies on them.
Go ski.
If you don't like them, sell them on above boards/eBay, and repeat.
post #11 of 30
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Originally Posted by bigK View Post
Wanted to thank everyone for the insight and input. Pointed me in the right direction and I went out and did some more research.


Initially I was leaning towards the Volkl Bridges because of the praise I heard about them. But I read a few reviews about them not holding up the best under high speeds.

I forgot to mention I'm a speed demon.

So with that in mind I'm considering the Line Prophet 90 or 100. Although I don't feel we get enough powder on the West Coast for the 100? (Maybe some advice here)

Also still considering the Head Mojo 90s.


Lastly will I be able (or rather should I) transfer my old binding from my Salomon Screams, to whatever I end up choosing? I paid $200 for them at the time, I will have to go double check the model/brand.
The Prophet is more all-mt than park, and has been lauded for it's performance as such. It's a great ski.

As for your bindings, they should work, but you may need to buy some wider brakes. If they are "Pilot" bindings, you're outta luck.
post #12 of 30

are solly pilot bindings non-usable on new flat skis?

why?
post #13 of 30
Demo the Line Prophet 90's. Great all-around ski!
post #14 of 30
PE's, now called Extremes. Last year's around at good $ online. Last year's Mojo 90's also excellent, no longer made but only graphics changed for three years, they were selling 07's at Level Nine Sports for good $. I ski twins like this in the high 170's and I weigh 162. Get the 180-something and you'll be happier...
post #15 of 30
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Originally Posted by duke walker View Post
why?
I could be wrong, but I thought they required the plate, otherwise you'd need all new mounting hardware. If I'm wrong, my bad.
post #16 of 30
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Originally Posted by bigK View Post
Wanted to thank everyone for the insight and input. Pointed me in the right direction and I went out and did some more research.


Initially I was leaning towards the Volkl Bridges because of the praise I heard about them. But I read a few reviews about them not holding up the best under high speeds.

I forgot to mention I'm a speed demon.

So with that in mind I'm considering the Line Prophet 90 or 100. Although I don't feel we get enough powder on the West Coast for the 100? (Maybe some advice here)

Also still considering the Head Mojo 90s.


Lastly will I be able (or rather should I) transfer my old binding from my Salomon Screams, to whatever I end up choosing? I paid $200 for them at the time, I will have to go double check the model/brand.
YUP
post #17 of 30
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Originally Posted by duke walker View Post
why?
Pilots weren't even plate mounted -- they required a pre-established latitudinal hole through the ski. I had Scream Pilot 8s with this system.


What Dino said.

And between the Prophet 100 and 90, for where you ski, go 90.

If you can find used or blem PM Gear Bro Models (probably in 188) or Moments, they'd be an excellent choice.

Fischer Atuas would also be a good choice.

One cheap option I haven't skied is the Rossignol Scratch Brigade BC, $300 shipped from Evogear.
post #18 of 30
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
Pilots weren't even plate mounted -- they required a pre-established latitudinal hole through the ski. I had Scream Pilot 8s with this system.
They had that weird yellow plate the bindings screwed on to, and then the plate had the post through the bottom - that's the "plate" I meant. Anyway, I didn't think the bindings could be used stand alone, but I might be wrong...anywhooo...

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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
One cheap option I haven't skied is the Rossignol Scratch Brigade BC, $300 shipped from Evogear.
I just got a pair. If I ever get to go anywhere to ski them, I'll post a review. With that said, the Scratch FS (Ghetto now) rocked, and I have another pair on the way in a 181. The 174 was a ball, but a bit too short.
post #19 of 30
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Originally Posted by axebiker View Post
They had that weird yellow plate the bindings screwed on to, and then the plate had the post through the bottom - that's the "plate" I meant. Anyway, I didn't think the bindings could be used stand alone, but I might be wrong...
The 914 Pilots might, but 12-DIN and lower definitely couldn't.
post #20 of 30
Thread Starter 
OK i think I'm gonna go with 186 Head Mojo 90's @ Level Nine they're only $250

As for bindings can I take my Rossignol axium 100s off the Salomon's or should I look for a new binding?
post #21 of 30
I would not put 10-DIN plastic bindings on skis to be used by a 210-pounder. Mojo 15s are a great choice and should double your warranty.
post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by bigK View Post
I don't feel we get enough powder on the West Coast for the 100? (Maybe some advice here)
Man, where are you skiing?

I have 2 skis in the quiver: 99mm and 125 and found that we got plenty of powder for either one last season.



I guess my question is what's the "need" for a twin?

Are you going to be spending any time at all in the park?

All of your data posts seem to indicate that you hanker for powder and you're a speed demon, which doesn't scream "I need a twin" very much to me.

In all honesty the reason for a true twin is so you can ski switch easily. Are you planning to ski backwards a lot this season?

If you are looking for a ripping all mountain ski, admittedly quite a few come with twins, but I think you probably need to re-assess what it is you are looking for your ski to do and where you are going to be skiing predominantly and what type of conditions.

As for my recommendation for a good, versatile, all-mountain twin? Lib-Tech Freeride Nas. 93/99mm in the waist, comes in a 188 which would be a good size for your height. Medium-to-stiff flex. Has a massive shovel and 19tr, so you can turn on a dime if need be. And they run fairly fast.

Again, though, I think you need to seriously sit down and think about exactly why you need/want a twin and the pros/cons of a twin versus a non-twin (seriously if you aren't gonna be riding in the park and skiing switch then you probably don't need a serious twin).

Just my ill-informed 2cents.

PS
What Alpine Dad said about the binders: Mojo 15's are money.
post #23 of 30
Thread Starter 
There are days where I am in seeking the soft stuff all day and whipping around through trees, and then there are days I spend half of the day in the park trying to land switch in my screams, and scream/cry.

If I had the funding I'd get some great all mountain skis, and then some specific park skis, but I don't really feel I can do it right now.

Thanks for the recommendation though, I'll take a look at those.
post #24 of 30
Thread Starter 
Hate to keep bumping my own thread, but just wanted to seek couple ideas.

The Head Mojo 90 186 are going for $249
But then the 09 Mojo 15s are $229 - Or maybe just find cheaper bindings.
Thats $478
So I'm just looking and didn't realize that it'd total up to about $500 so now it opens the whole question maybe I should shop around more. Maybe consider some used gear? Too many choices.

I found those free rides for $358 but I think they're Per/ski price. If so that rules them out. http://www.monkeyrides.com/cgi/comme...tion&key=10660

And for example I found these, although I might be way off base looking at racing skis...lol
Fischer - Fischer World Cup RC4 Giant Slalom

http://www.geartrade.com/browse/116/789/457/item/66321
post #25 of 30
Good deal on the skis, not on the bindings. My Mojo 15s cost me $100. Unfortunately, it's not a good time of year to find deals.
post #26 of 30
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
Good deal on the skis, not on the bindings. My Mojo 15s cost me $100. Unfortunately, it's not a good time of year to find deals.
Yeah I'm looking around for a good deal on Mojo 15s, but maybe I will just get something comparable but @ a lower price.

Should of NOT procrastinated with getting these, now I'm heading to Mammoth in 2 weeks and need Skis asap.
post #27 of 30
The Head RFD 14s at Level Nine are a pretty good deal at $140. They use basically the same mechanism as the Mojos, and the lift is actually fairly minimal -- I think it's 21mm vs. 15mm, a difference of about 1/4". And you get all the adjustability benefits of Railflex. And I believe that Level Nine will mount them free.
post #28 of 30
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
The Head RFD 14s at Level Nine are a pretty good deal at $140. They use basically the same mechanism as the Mojos, and the lift is actually fairly minimal -- I think it's 21mm vs. 15mm, a difference of about 1/4". And you get all the adjustability benefits of Railflex. And I believe that Level Nine will mount them free.
Looks like a viable option. I haven't skied on a rail like that before, would that suitable for park also?
post #29 of 30
Yes.
post #30 of 30
Thread Starter 
Well just wanted to thank everyone for all the input.

Wanted to say I went with the Mojo 90s I guess we'll see if I got a deal or not. I bought some used ones on E-bay for $200 with bindings, 186s with Markers Comp 14, the bindings are supposed to be "like new" and the skis look in pretty good shape too.

I've had trouble with Markers in the past, but I'll give these a shot.


Now if only there was some snow...
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