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Wasn't Stockli going to make a Scott Schmidt Pro This Year?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I though that they were going to make one with a 101" waist. I see they made the DP pro.
post #2 of 12
I don't think Schmidt is with Stockli this year.
post #3 of 12
I have seen and fondled the new Stockli SS Pro (101mm waist) at California Ski Company in Berkeley.

It seems like a really nice ski.

Skier Shop also has them:
http://skiershop.com/itemdetails.cfm?id=1316
post #4 of 12
Yeah, Schmidtie is still with Stockli and now Micah Black is also.

The SS Pro never makes it into the Stockli euro catalog, it's a US ski model. It is very close to the DP+, it's 1mm wider (according to Stockli USA, I have my doubts that it's out of a different mold) in the tail with an extra 3/4 length titanal layer (DP+ has 1, SS has 1 3/4), SS comes in a 176cm and a 186cm (it's a loonnnggg 186cm).
post #5 of 12
and it's a very nice ski. Lots of fun, great edge hold, stable at high speed
post #6 of 12
The 08/09 Schmidt is just a DP Pro+ in its 176/186 lengths with a different paint job, softened slightly throughout (Scot's getting old now, after all).

If you can live without the name, cowboy up and buy the DP Pro+. Or jump ship to Dynastar and get on a pair of XXLs...sidewalls don't blow up as easily.
post #7 of 12
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I don't think Schmidt is with Stockli this year.
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Yeah, Schmidtie is still with Stockli and now Micah Black is also.
Heard it was touch and go for a while, glad he is back with Stockli.
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
Its not on their website. I looked at the DP pro+ but I thought the SS would be better in east coast crud.
post #9 of 12
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It is very close to the DP+, it's 1mm wider (according to Stockli USA, I have my doubts that it's out of a different mold) in the tail with an extra 3/4 length titanal layer (DP+ has 1, SS has 1 3/4), SS comes in a 176cm and a 186cm (it's a loonnnggg 186cm).
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The 08/09 Schmidt is just a DP Pro+ in its 176/186 lengths with a different paint job, softened slightly throughout (Scot's getting old now, after all).
It has more metal, but is softer?
post #10 of 12
First, as Whiteroom assumed, I also highly doubt that it's out of a different mold. Take a look at the specs for the SS and then for the DP Pro+. At 186 lengths, exactly the same geometries. At 176 I think it's safe to say, then, that they are the same as well (can't find a spec reference for the 176 SS offhand...).

As far as layup goes (determining stiffness), I think I may have been quick to jump to the conclusion of "softer". If anything, they're probably the same construction. Two sheets of titanal, probably of the same thickness. After several years doing business with the Western rep for Stockli, I've gotten enough of an impression of their layup style for Stormriders that I feel confident about making that assertion. And after having hand-flexed both the other day, they actually feel about the same per identical length. If anything, the DP+ might still be stiffer, but definitely not the other way around.

And as a somewhat related FYI to take into account, the Schmidts have been getting progressively softer over time. And I own and have skied both older models enough to back that up. The original black/gray 04/05 ski is the stiffest, and in my opinion the best so far. Very akin to a race-room Super Nobis or surfboard Legend Pro back before Dynastar removed the balls from that ski. The 05/06-07/08 yellow flames SS is slightly softer, most noticeably in the tip and mid-foot, slightly in the tail. Still a nice ski, but not as snappy or solid as the original. And with this third gen., just from a hand-flex I can feel more softening from the 2nd gen than from 1st to 2nd. Whether that change is good or bad from a skiing standpoint, I'll hold my tongue on.
post #11 of 12
I have a first gen. SS Pro in a 194cm length and, personally feel that it is useless anywhere other than wide open groomed terrain (where it is more fun than any SG ski). the stiff flex combined with the low profile shovel make it a submarine. The pre production gen 2 188cm ski was even stiffer... a beast of a ski that was difficult at best. The 26m tr combined with grip and stiffness meant you needed to be moving to attempt to change radii (they skied ok with dull edges), The production ski was softened significantly in the shovel and tail which made it way more useable, once again, just my opinion. The new SS Pro seems like it is Stockli finally realizing the freeride skis aren't race skis and shouldn't be quite so high-strung.

I like race skis and I like freeride skis, I don't like them combined.
post #12 of 12
I do understand that all of this is purely subjective, and we could go back and forth until we're blue in the face... so to each his own.

Personally, I don't think the 194 is useless off groomers at all, although it is my narrowest ski (except for the 188) and I admit I use it almost exclusively as a hard pack and crud stick. But is it useless elsewhere? Of course not. Skied right, it pays off in almost all but bottomless, in much the same was an older LP or explosive does.

That said, I think some of the best freeride skis of all time have had some of the most race-like characteristics. But then I have to acknowledge my bias towards sidewall, flat-tail boards, and against twin tips, noodles, uneven flexes and cap construction. But I'm also not naive enough to never give a ski with a mix of any of those things I typically don't like at least a chance. For example, Black Diamond's capped wood-core stuff is sick, hands down....And etc.

So, as cliche as this is, I guess the fortunate thing is all the choice we have in what's out there, so each of use can be happy with something.
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