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Powder/Crud Ski for Blue Skier

post #1 of 23
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The last 2 years I have been skiing in Park City and will again this season. I will ski about 15-20 days this season. I skied in the east when I was younger but quit skiing for about 20 years.

I have Head Monster im72 skis and have enjoyed them but when the powder came last season I was miserable. This year I will rent some powder oriented skis when the powder comes and see if it will go better. Ultimately I plan to add a pair to my quiver.

I ski mostly blues but enjoy speed while still getting some turns in. I want something for crud and powder but not sure how wide to go. Some of the fats are 60 mm wider than what I ski now.

Please give me your thoughts on width and or models you would suggest I try.

I'm a 5'10 male, and 195 lbs. Here are the measurements of the skis I have now, 117-72-102 and I think they are 175 in length.

Thanks,
Jeff
post #2 of 23
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Originally Posted by prone2wander View Post
The last 2 years I have been skiing in Park City and will again this season. I will ski about 15-20 days this season. I skied in the east when I was younger but quit skiing for about 20 years.

I have Head Monster im72 skis and have enjoyed them but when the powder came last season I was miserable. This year I will rent some powder oriented skis when the powder comes and see if it will go better. Ultimately I plan to add a pair to my quiver.

I ski mostly blues but enjoy speed while still getting some turns in. I want something for crud and powder but not sure how wide to go. Some of the fats are 60 mm wider than what I ski now.

Please give me your thoughts on width and or models you would suggest I try.

I'm a 5'10 male, and 195 lbs. Here are the measurements of the skis I have now, 117-72-102 and I think they are 175 in length.

Thanks,
Jeff
do you have video of you skiing? blue skier is very vague...

I would still recommend going to 90-110 underfoot. look for a soft ski regardless of sidecut, and go around 180ish in over all lenght.
post #3 of 23
Jeff, at your size, you could easily go to a 85-95mm ski if you didn't want a dedicated pow ski. Lots to look at'

Elan 888
Blizzard 8.7
Dynastar MR
Fischer watea94
Volkl AC50 or Grizz
Atomic snoop or crimson
Scott mission / P4

OR you could go wider, something 100 or wider


And more to follow...
post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
Jeff, at your size, you could easily go to a 85-95mm ski if you didn't want a dedicated pow ski. Lots to look at'

Elan 888
Blizzard 8.7
Dynastar MR
Fischer watea94
Volkl AC50 or Grizz
Atomic snoop or crimson
Scott mission / P4

OR you could go wider, something 100 or wider


And more to follow...
alot of those skis are way to stiff for a powder ski even for a advance or expert skier.
post #5 of 23
its a bit of a quandary isnt' it. Name me a soft crud busting ski? I went with that range of widths becaue they are at least easier for an intermediate to handle over a 100mm ski that he will still use on the groomed at times. You could go down to a Watea84. It's soft enough but not really a crud buster and not a whole lot of float for a 200# skier. At least with his weight, the stiifer boards will bend somewhat. I don't disagree with you though.
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its a bit of a quandary isnt' it. Name me a soft crud busting ski? I went with that range of widths becaue they are at least easier for an intermediate to handle over a 100mm ski that he will still use on the groomed at times. You could go down to a Watea84. It's soft enough but not really a crud buster and not a whole lot of float for a 200# skier. At least with his weight, the stiifer boards will bend somewhat. I don't disagree with you though.
there isnt a soft crud busting ski.

the 94 from watea, the PE, are 2 that I have skied that come close. I do very well on the PE in fact but I generally am not 'maching' crud on those ski but rather playfull short retraction turns.

The point is thier are skis that can help you ski crud but you already have to be confident enough and strong enough to ski it. Crud like moguls is one of the few areas of skiing that you cant totally 'buy' a turn in.
post #7 of 23
OK, so you agree with my point? And yes, I would also vote for the watea94 as the best all around for this need. I will also agree that we don't really know this guys abilities and maybe a boot allignment and some lessons are in order!
post #8 of 23
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The point is thier are skis that can help you ski crud but you already have to be confident enough and strong enough to ski it.
This is the most important piece of advice so far. Skiing crud requires heavy edging. So in order for a skier to ski crud well he absolutely has to have a strong grasp on both pressure and angulation.

Skiing crud well requires strong carving skills. The best way for a ski to cut through crud is on it's rails.

If you apply carving skills to crud skiing, you can take even the lightest ski such as a Salomon teneighty and make it work. That said, I echo Finndog's suggestion of the Elan 888. Elan is one of the most over-looked skis out there and one of the best.
post #9 of 23
A third vote for the Watea 94, it will be soft enough for you to flex but at the same time is a great all around ski.

Another ski that you should check out is the Snoop Daddy last years or this years, they are two different skis though. The previous version of the Snoop is a composite core and is relatively soft in the tip although it skis great through crud and soft stuff. This year Atomic changed up the Snoop, it is now a full wood core, a twin tip and 94mm underfoot oppose to the previous 88mm. It is still keeping with the Snoops tradition of being a fun all mountain ski that an intermediate skier could easily ski.
post #10 of 23
Watea would be good. you might also consider the Nordica Enforcer and Volkl Mantra.
post #11 of 23
You might even consider the Watea 101. Its actually much shorter than the 192cm length, due to the turned up tail.

The ski is very easy to use and ideal for Utah.

See: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=66352 & http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=67410
post #12 of 23
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This is the most important piece of advice so far. Skiing crud requires heavy edging. So in order for a skier to ski crud well he absolutely has to have a strong grasp on both pressure and angulation.

Skiing crud well requires strong carving skills. The best way for a ski to cut through crud is on it's rails.

If you apply carving skills to crud skiing, you can take even the lightest ski such as a Salomon teneighty and make it work. That said, I echo Finndog's suggestion of the Elan 888. Elan is one of the most over-looked skis out there and one of the best.
This guy might be a good skier after all.
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This guy might be a good skier after all.
mark my words! yes.
post #14 of 23
On the Elan 888;
Its awesome in crud but does not provide much float in powder. Its one of the stiffest skis in its category: with 2 layers of titanal, it's as stiff as a GS race ski. The Monster 88 is more versatile, for example.
post #15 of 23
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On the Elan 888;
Its awesome in crud but does not provide much float in powder. Its one of the stiffest skis in its category: with 2 layers of titanal, it's as stiff as a GS race ski. The Monster 88 is more versatile, for example.
Just my opinion here but stiffness is something to look for in a powder ski. You want responsiveness and rebound. And if you look at the 888's measurements you'll see that it has a huge shovel and much thinner tail allowing the tips to float in powder.
post #16 of 23
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Just my opinion here but stiffness is something to look for in a powder ski. You want responsiveness and rebound. And if you look at the 888's measurements you'll see that it has a huge shovel and much thinner tail allowing the tips to float in powder.


You must be thinking of the Pontoon. Do you really ski ?
post #17 of 23
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You must be thinking of the Pontoon. Do you really ski ?
888's dimensions: 128-88-108 Big shovel + much smaller tail=great floatation.
post #18 of 23
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You must be thinking of the Pontoon. Do you really ski ?
mike just ignore him he is a obvious troll. with no real help to add. I actually wish people would stop quoting him.
post #19 of 23
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This message is hidden because Chaos is on your ignore list.
more people need to do this.
post #20 of 23
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888's dimensions: 128-88-108 Big shovel + much smaller tail=great floatation.
Final comment (unlike you, I have a life).

A highly skilled lighter, skier could make the 888 work in powder, given enough speed. Otherwise the ski is too skinny and stiff to be a serious powder ski. Its an all mountain ski for mountains that don't get big dumps. Utah gets big dumps.

The OP does not describe himself as a lighter, more aggressive skier. He plans to ski in Utah

I have skied the 888 and the other skis discussed.

Once you have actually skied these models, Your opinion might merit consideration.
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by WILDCAT View Post
Final comment (unlike you, I have a life).

A highly skilled lighter, skier could make the 888 work in powder, given enough speed. Otherwise the ski is too skinny and stiff to be a serious powder ski. Its an all mountain ski for mountains that don't get big dumps. Utah gets big dumps.

The OP does not describe himself as a lighter, more aggressive skier. He plans to ski in Utah

I have skied the 888 and the other skis discussed.

Once you have actually skied these models, Your opinion might merit consideration.
I appreciate your opinion although I disagree with it. The 888 is a great all-mountain ski and its dimensions allow for great floatation in powder. And yes, I have skied it.

Cheers,

Chaos
post #22 of 23
Even though he said ski for pow and crud that really means to me a good "every day" utah ski such as:

Volkl Gotama
Scott P4
K2 Obseth

Those would be good for you becuase they are fairly soft flex (easy going) and 100-110mm width is very fucntional in soft snow for a guy up near 200lbs.

Skis like:

Dynastar Mythic Rider
Fischer watea94
Volkl Bridge / mantra
Atomic snoop
K2 PE
Head im88

would also be worth looking at if you don't care so much about floating so high in pow / want to ski more two footed in pow. They would probably be better as a 50/50 type ski where you will be on groomed snow alot, but also an equal time off piste.
post #23 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone for your advice. I have a nice list to play with!

Heading to PC on Monday but will wait to better conditions in December to start the try out.

Thanks again, Jeff
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