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Scott Punisher 182

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Good Morning America,
last weekend I had the possibility to ride my new Scott Punisher 182 on the Kitzsteinhorn/Salzburg/Austria. Conditions were possibly not ideal to ski a more freeride orientated Ski but good enough for some first comments. Sunny weather and quite good slope condition, hard with some fresh powder on. Off piste some 10cm of fresh snow.

The Punisher has got the dimensions of 182/R16/128-89-115 and is a woodcore/fibre-laminated sandwich construction. I think the ski is produced with Fischer in Austria. I have a Rossi Axial2 SPS mounted and centered at the marked point.

As I am used to ski my Edelwiser carving rockets the Edelwiser line is my reference. I got the ski especially for off-piste backcountry skiing at any conditions but especially powder. Nethertheless I was searching for a ski also capeable for carving and mixed conditions. Therefore a sort of compromise with a wideness of 89mm.

The Punisher is said to be similar to the Scott Mission except it is a twintip construction. On slope the ski showed great stability and grip in medium and wider carving turns with a lot of punch and power within the radius of 16m. Shorter carved turnes do not work so easy compared to other ski. I did not have the impression that the Scott was too soft in the tips therefore shortening the radius works but with quite a lot of input. The edge grip was good on groomed ground but I have driven skies with better ice grip. So on slope a sort of carving bomber if conditions are not too hard. Not as responsive as pure carving skis like Edelwiser.

Off the piste the Punisher performed well in harder mougles and old snow. Very much easy to handle and easy to turn feeling shorter than 182cm I assume due to the twin construction. Whatever there is in front of the ski you can just let it run through. A lot of stability and confidence provided.

Generally speaking the Punisher is fantastic allmountain/backcountry ski for more or less all condition except pure carving. Definitly it is not a park ski. Too heavy and stable maybe also due to the heavy SPS Rossis. I personally would recommend the ski for experianced skies only because if its stability and punch.

Snow is coming up in the next days so I will hopefully have the possibility to ski the Punisher in deeper powder conditions. Review to follow up.


post #2 of 24
Thanks Wiener. I bought a pair earlier this year but haven't gotten mine mounted yet. Looking forward to further reviews!
post #3 of 24
Thread Starter 
Good morning,
last weekend I had the possibilitiy to ski the Punisher in deeper snow condition. Saturday to Sunday Heiligenblut/Carinthia/Austria got some 50cm and Sunday night some additional 100cm. Consequence: The mayor of the small village advised via radio (!) that kids should stay at home due to avalange danger!

On piste there were some 30cm on packed snow and off piste 60-100cm deep snow. Due to altitude 1.300-2.600m (Fleiss not opened yet due to snow) the snow was powder to medium heavy. First impression: I should have taken the P4 for powder skiing but: I have not seen so much snow for the last years coming down at once....

In pure off piste condition I would say the Punisher is good enough but maybe not really fat enough but its good and easy to ski and doesn´t need a lot of powder. On piste (plus some 30cm of powder on) the Punisher works perfect. Set the ski whereever and however you want at any speed. It will just carve through any conditions. Gives a lot of confidence. Again you can ski the Punisher powderful and you can even carve the ski in difficult conditions.

For pure deep powder conditions I would look at the P4 but there are not so many powder days in the "Hohe Tauern" region. More likely there are some 10-30cm fresh snow or old deep snow and for exactly those conditions I got the Scott.

Therefore exactly what I was looking for: easy, powerful and still a good choice for powder.



P.S.: does not include the appx. 100cm from SUN to MON!!!!
post #4 of 24
Very jealous of your snow, but looking forward to mounting up my new P4s when we finally get some ourselves.
post #5 of 24
Thanks for the info - I am looking at both of these skis, one for midfat one for fat. I've already got the P4s but from what you say it sounds like the Punisher is a very versatile ski for everything but deeper snow conditions.

It sounds like it makes turns of varying radius (short or long) well also, which is something they claim as a selling point. Thanks for the information!

One question - what kind of skier are you physically? I am tall, fairly strong skier in style. I tend to like skis that require and take a lot of power like a Volkl, not a light touch which I have heard in some reviews of the Punishers.
post #6 of 24
Good review!! I've got a pair of Missions that I am itching to get mounted and get out on. Sounds like they will be great in the deepest days that I see in the North East US.

Not so sure how they will be on ice, but I've been playing with the idea of getting a GS ski (if I can find one cheap enough) to cruise the hockey rink hills with.
post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 
Some info about myself in metric system (sorry, Austrian!)
appx 35 days/year (sometimes more..)
Saison N° 39
Rossi Axial2 SPS (rental) mounted +/-0
Boots Head WC RS 90
Training only on ski/no special physical training except sometimes a beer!
I tend to be a more technical skier/Carver mainly (Edelwiser Ski)
Generally I can ski every terrain on/off piste with a strong tendency to carving. This season I try to go more off...

Some personal answers ref. questions:

The Punisher (similar to the Mission) can be carved, yes. But it can not be carved like a special carver (as written, on slope I ride Edelwiser Swing/182/or Firnis). The inner ski does not soak you into the turn with inner ski technique. On the other hand you can set the Punisher however you want and it will simply run through everything. Speed does not matter. I do not have the feeling the ski would be soft but it does not need a lot of power. Can be limited carved and also drifted. I can clearly say that I would not buy the Scott for slope purpuses. I think there would be better solutions definitly. I got it as an all mountain trasher, off piste and deeper snow up to appx 30cm. Its simply an easy tool. Grip on hard groomed terrain is OK. Icegrip is not OK compared to race skis.

Hope this helps...Cheers Christoph
post #8 of 24
Thanks for the post and review Christoph. Not familiar with the area you mentioned but I have skied at Ober Tauern. Very cool place. Most of my 100+ ski days in Austria (Oesterreich) were in Tirol.

How are the bindings mounted? Are they mounted so the boot sole middle mark is over the line on the ski? It looks like the mark on the sidewall is for the ball of the foot alignment.
post #9 of 24
Thread Starter 
Hi Johansson,
the Rossi Axial is mounted exactly for the boot middle mark to hit the Middle mark of the ski. I did not want to move the binding forward because I do not use the ski for park. I only use it as an all mountain and depper snow ski. Ref. Heiligenblut: Directly situated at the crossingpoint Tyrol/Salzburg/Carinthia nearby the Grossglockner, highest mountain in Austria.
Cheers Christoph
post #10 of 24
Vielen dank.

I know where that is now. Just never skied down that way.

I plan to use my pair for deep snow and tree skiing, so I will mount them like you did. I'm too old for the park (almost 50). I am mounting Rossignol Axial Pros so almost identical to your setup.
post #11 of 24
Thread Starter 
Some more days on the Punisher and some more comments. The ski can be carved on groomed slopes better than expected. Despite my previous comments the ski has got its speed limit definitly. Seems the Punisher is too soft for high speed carving but´s not built for that kind of skiing. The base is very much durable and is not harmed easily by stones or fences. Having had a lot of powder last weekend I have to admit that the Punisher is fat enough for my use. Good floating in deep snow and excellent performance in mixed conditions.
post #12 of 24
Have a pair of these in 182 with Rossi Scratch mounted on the line for 304 bsl. Brought them out to Snowbird for a week. Almost all possible conditions were encountered and the only real weak points I could discern were less than great float in really deep (20" plus) heavy snow and a little tip flutter in really fast GS turns on hardpack (the mens downhill run at Snowbasin on a cold morning)(no lack of control though) Me, level 8 51 years old 175 lbs skiing at my limits and slightly above. All in all, a really compentent and fun ski!!
post #13 of 24
I tried these the other day. There is something to the claims of dual radius design - short and medium turns seemed natural.

It felt a little soft (vs Mantra was my everyday last year) but I bet that will help in softer snow conditions.
post #14 of 24

Did you post a review? Have mine mounted but yet to ski them. Interested in what you thought. Where did you ski them, conditions, etc?
post #15 of 24
I've only posted a few impressions here in this thread - expounding a little ...

I skied them on some nice packed powder with a few areas of I want to say crud but it was fairly compressed. So let's say east coast version of crud . It was at Wachusett so everything was fairly groomed and skied on with the exception of one or two trails we kind of weren't supposed to be on (shh don't tell). Somewhat surprising but there was little ice that day so I didn't get the chance to try them on true east coast ice.

Here's a few photos of what it was like (Dec 23)

I like them - they are as I said medium soft in the tips, not real quick edge to edge but respectable for a ski of their girth. They are lighter in feel and weight than Mantras. They also feel more like a true twin tip. I'm no jibber but I did ski them backwards a few times and they are very balanced in feel that way. At speed they were fine and stable.

I have them mounted with Rossi Axial 140 100mm (Look style 4-14 DIN) bindings. They are mounted right on the suggested mark which I think is ski center.

I do need (need, well you know what I mean) to hotbox them because I didn't wax them, which I normally do - just touch them up a bit and throw some wax on there. They felt a little grabby with the factory tune and wax, which is probably worn off already.
post #16 of 24
I got some of these and was out on them for the 1st and 2nd time this week at Caberfae, MI.

I am somewhat of a racer, so I ski fast and carve hard. 185lbs, 6'1", got the 182's.

Day 1 was hardpack corduroy and very fast and fun conditions for going fast. My brother has Dynastar 66 Race GS skis, so I was largely measuring what I could do vs. what he could. He is a college level racer.

At low speeds, I was able to initiate turns easier than he, and could especially make sharper turns than he could. Makes sense with his turn radius of 21 or 22 and mine 14 or 15. At high speeds I noticed a little chatter if I was not properly forward on the skis, but with proper forward pressure there was no chatter at all. I was free to make relatively tight turns or long sweeping GS turns at high speed, and on a hill this size I never felt uncomfortable on these skis.

Compared to my Dad who was on Fisher RC4 Slalom race skis (9 radius) I could not turn quite as tight obviously, but at speed I had a much easier time with stability. We often play follow the leader, and I was able to follow all of their turns, while my brother couldn't always turn as sharply as I.

I was also very pleased with the speed side to side. My slalom race skis are definitely faster side to side, but I the punishers did not dissapoint.

Day 2 was freezing rain on top of rock hard corduroy. A lovely day to ski in MI The only difference I noticed was a little more chatter when trying to make real tight turns at high speed. Compared to every other ski I've ever skied though, this was expected. The punishers held for me on the ice better than my dads fishers, although they are a few years old.

In conclusion of that randomly put together review...I love these skis (other than graphics) and haven't even skied them for their intended purpose yet. I was not expecting to enjoy them too much in MI conditions, but they really surprised me. I will put my stamp of approval on them
post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 
Correct. The factory tuning feels a little strange. I have my Punisher now tuned with 0,5°/88° which makes the ski much more agressive.
post #18 of 24
Demoed the Punisher 182 last spring and had a blast, so bought as my every day resort ski. It was the perfect day to test an all rounder ski as there was about a foot of day-old powder that you could search out, groomed trails, soft bumps, and a ton of crud. Had fun in everything.

Same day bought dynastar xxl 187 for days where I probably won't see bumps.

Have to mount both this week, thinking of look px15 for punisher, dukes for xxls... having a tough time w/ this though, any advice for what to mount with which?
post #19 of 24

Punish Me Please

There's a good review of these over at TGR:

Looks like everybody who tries these likes them except for the top sheets.
post #20 of 24
How long do these skis actually ski? i have heard some people say that they ski much shorter than their posted length. Anybody want to provide a rough idea of how long these skis actually ski?
post #21 of 24
With any twing tip my rule of thumb is that they ski at least 10 cm shorter on hard snow.

According to the TGR review the Punisher skis a little shorter so maybe take off 15 cm because the tips and tails start early. This means a 190 will ski like a 175 carver ski.
post #22 of 24
Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post
Very jealous of your snow, but looking forward to mounting up my new P4s when we finally get some ourselves.
I have the Scott Missions which I believe are the same as the Punisher without the twin tip. I love them as an all-Mtn ski. The P4 would be even better in deep snow at Snowbird. Let me know if you are coming out here again and we can hookup.
post #23 of 24
I just posted a gear review here:

I agree that the 191s ski more like a 180cm ski. One thing I failed to mention in the review but saw on the TGR review: the bottoms are bulletproof. I slid across a big rock and exposed the granite. Not a single mark on the base. I didn't hit it hard, but I did have weight on the ski. Amazing.
post #24 of 24
Just picked up a pair of the 191cm on Tramdock for $ 197.
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