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5 Logistics questions for Co/Utah ski trip

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
Hi!

In need advice, if possible!
As we're coming from Brazil and plan on skiing for a little over three weeks, stopping in Moab for about three days these are mega holidays for us!

We need help from anyone with the following as we're not sure if these plans are a bit unrealistic: - oh, please keep in mind that although we're fine drivers, we've no experience driving on snow, so maybe driving some of these legs can be a little uncomfortable.

Questions:
1 - Easiest way/ suggestion from Denver airport to Breck as we need to buy gear on the way or there - (ski jacket + boots + used skis). Shuttle or rental car?
2- Easiest way/suggestion for getting to SCL from Vail - would the Greyhound be an ok option? Driving a rental car too heavy? Same for going to Moab from Vail, if we decide on doing that first
3- Easiest way/ suggestion for getting to Montrose from Green River/Moab or SLC - as we haven't yet decided on what to do first
4 - Easiest way / suggestion for getting from Montrose to Aspen and from there to Keystone or Frisco and if this stop in Aspen for a couple of days would be worth it (after skiing Vail/Beaver Creek/Breck/Snowbird and Telluride)
5- Easiest way / suggestion for getting from Montrose to Keystone or Frisco - if we give up on Aspen!

Uff, this just about sums up our logistics for the 4 weeks in January, we really appreciate your experienced skier advice!

Tks!!

Jackie
post #2 of 29
I think you will have to rent or buy a car. Some of these places are very remote and public transportation in the western states is scarce.
post #3 of 29
Yes - with all your logistic issues - not only would I rent a car - I would also rent all my skis, boots, jackets etc in Denver - so you can return it on the way back. I am assuming you are departing from denver.
post #4 of 29
Yeah,

As Americans we are so used to driving everywhere, especially out west, that there probably isn't a ton of public transportation, at least not easily gotten to from some of the places you mention. And if there is most of us don't know about it.

Also, while you can probably get a bus from Denver to Salt Lake, you will likely want a car once there. In Moab, you will need a car. You may be able to rent one at each place you visit, but by the time you're through it could cost more than renting one for most of your stay. Also, I think car rental companies often charge you a fee if you rent in one city and return the car to another.
post #5 of 29
The Greyhound may sound appealing as an easy means of transport, but it probably isn't the traveling experience you are looking for.
Also, I think Aspen would definitely be worth the time. I would pick Aspen over Keystone.
post #6 of 29
Seems more complicated than neccessary. Assuming you don't want to drive too much:

- Take the transport van service from Denver airport to Summit county (Frico/Breck/Silverstein) and use the free ski shuttle to get to Breck/Keystone/A-basin.

- Again, use the van service to get to Vail and ski there for a few days.

- Same for Aspen.

(or, rent a car at Eagle and drive to Apsen and Telluride)

- Fly to Salt Lake City and rent a car to drive down to Moab. The roads down that way are much less likely to have snow on it.

- Drop the car off at SLC and fly back to Denver (or fly straight home from SLC).

Basically, there're transports for within Colorado so there's not an absolute neccesity to rent a car until you're ready to go to Utah.

Personally, I wouldn't do such a big loop. Too much time in transit and not enough time skiing. You do realize you're trying to cover 15 resorts in 3 weeks, right?
post #7 of 29
Thread Starter 
You're all right! I really appreciate your help, basically just rent the car in Utah, definitely. And make use of the free transportation in Summit County.
It would just be so nice if we were able to fit Telluride in the itinerary, but it is so out of the way! Major insight, we never did realize that losing three full days with just relocating is an absolute waste.

Great, tks a lot!

Jackie
post #8 of 29
I think your trip sound really neat. Gas has really gone down in the states, but big SUV's are still selling at a major discount. Buy an old
Suburban or Tahoe in Denver, drive it for a month and then sell it on Ebay in SLC.

TGR Tom bought an old Subaru for a couple of hundred bucks, drove it for six months and sold it for more than he paid.
post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by TransRocky08 View Post
Hi!

Questions:
1 - Easiest way/ suggestion from Denver airport to Breck as we need to buy gear on the way or there - (ski jacket + boots + used skis). Shuttle or rental car?

Recycle sports in Frisco (9 miles from Breck) has a lot of good used gear. Pretty much all the rental shops will sell their higher end demo rentals from last year at a good price. Main St. Outlet in Breck has very good prices on new gear that's discounted because they are last year's models and/or samples. Gear/Clothes up here are not any more expensive than in Denver. Don't rent ski gear in Denver (as someone recommended) because if something goes wrong with it you can't switch it out.
post #10 of 29
Thread Starter 
I guess buying a car can be a little of a stretch for us, since we've no social security and all, but we'll definitely rent.

We do plan on buying skis, though.. We'll leave this for Frisco or Breck, then. This is what we want, last season's skis for purchase.

I still need to figure it out about going to Telluride, its so hard to get there, but I guess so worth the effort...



Jackie
post #11 of 29
Quote:
- Take the transport van service from Denver airport to Summit county (Frico/Breck/Silverstein) and use the free ski shuttle to get to Breck/Keystone/A-basin.


I'm sorry! I don't mean to be rude by cracking up, but I think Judge Silverthorne is popping in his grave! And, BTW, I've been known for my own typos, but the thought of the judge getting an after-death bar mitzvah gave me the giggles.

Back to topic: Avoid Greyhound at all costs! At certain stops. there are no reserved seats, so there's a good chance that you won't even get on the bus. Also, to say that the crowd is a bit seedy would be an understatement. If you take issue with people puking at regular intervals, you might want to re-think the Greyhound thing.

Good luck! Be sure to post again when you get here. There are many locals who can help you out!
post #12 of 29
Jackie:

You cannot do this trip with public transportation, so you need to rent a car or truck. Buying gear would be much cheaper in Denver than in the Summit County, Breckenridge area.

My recommendation is this:

Drive to Summit County and ski Copper, Breckenridge, Vail, etc.

Take the interstate highway to near Grand Junction and then south to Montrose and Ridgeway to ski Telluride. If you stay in Ridgeway or Ouray you get ½ price lift tickets for Telluride. You can also hit Silverton Mt. from there for a day of guided skiing if you want. Both towns have hot springs. Telluride is very cool, but expensive.

Drive from Telluride to Moab on State Hwy 145 and 90 through Naturita to La Sal Junction. Check before going because this road can by tough in the winter, but should not be a problem unless there is a storm.

Bike, hike, enjoy Moab, and then drive to Price, Utah but stay on the bypass highway to SLC and stay at the Super 8 or other cheap motel on the highway at the north of town before going over Solders Summit and reaching Helper, UT.

In the morning you can make the first chair at Snowbird or Alta if you start driving by 6:45 am, and you will not have to go over Solders Summit in the dark. As you approach SLC use the commuter lanes on the left side of the highway and drive 70 mph.

Get off at the Sandy/West Jordan exit and head towards the mountains. Stop at a Ski & See or a Canyon Sports store to get discount tickets. Check out the "Super Pass" on line ahead of time.

Check at the Snowbird Lodge and ask for "Pablo from Brazil" who comes up a couple times every winter for a month or two. He knows the scene and the people, and is also a great source of info on skiing Las Lenas and Portillo. On the hill you can recognize him because he usually is whistling in the lift line.

When you return take the Interstate Hwy. from Green River back to Denver. Detour to Snowmass and Aspen if appropriate, or stop in Summit County to ski a day or two and break up the drive. Independance Pass is closed in the winter, so you have to backtrack from Aspen to Glenwood Springs.

Take pictures and post trip report when you get back home.
post #13 of 29
Thread Starter 
Will do! Thanks a lot, I even got advice on speed limits and Pablo from Brazil, isn't it Paulo, though?

TKs a lot for your ideas, we hadn't thought of going the other way around, it works fine too!

Since we have the Epic Pass we booked three days in Keystone in the end, which kind of sucks now bc we're stuck to having to be there at the very end of our stay, but really, lots of alternatives.

Tks again!

Jackie
post #14 of 29
You definitely need the rental car. FYI, be sure to time your driving so that you are not on I70 between Denver and Eagle going West on Friday afternoon and early evening or going East on Sunday afternoon. You can easily lose a couple of hours in traffic.
post #15 of 29
Jackie:

No, I'm fairly certain it's "Pablo." He's a retired guy about 60 that skis year round between South America and Snowbird. First spotted him years ago at lunch in Portillo wearing an "Altaholics" tee shirt, then ran into him later in lift lines at Las Lenas and Snowbird. "Paulo" is a similar type guy from Argentina, but that's another story.

You could certainly do Aspen, Telluride, Moab, SLC first and then hit Summit County and Keystone. Or you could go SLC, Moab, Telluide, Aspen, Summit County. My first suggestion seemed like the best option for spreading the skiing and driving out, but I think you can see on a map how it fits together in several different combinations.
post #16 of 29
Thread Starter 
What does he do? We want to ski year round too... I'll have to ask him.
Tks!
Dgudaitis - tks for the tip on traffic.
post #17 of 29
Here's a variation of "at nyc's" good response based on maximizing use of the Epic ski pass you plan to purchase:


- Take the transport van service from Denver airport to Summit county (Frisco/Breck/Silverthorne) and use the free ski shuttle to get to Breck/Keystone/A-basin.

- Again, use the van service to get to Vail and Beaver Creek and ski there for a few days.

- rent a car at Eagle, CO for one week and drive to Moab, UT, easy drive in one day, visit Moab area for a few days, then drive to Heavenly ski area in CA (about 7 hours), ski there for three days. Then drive back to Eagle and return rental car. Drive from Heavenly to Eagle is 900 miles and could be done in approximately 15 hours.

- ski your final few days at Keystone, CO and take shuttle back to Denver airport.

Basically, there are transports for within Colorado so there's not an absolute necessity to rent a car until you're ready to go to Utah. In the US it is often cheaper to rent a car for one full week than it is for 3 or 4 days. Also, there is no extra charge for unlimited miles.

Personally, I wouldn't do such a big loop, but this could be a rare opportunity for you to see the American West. Another more relaxed option is to stay in one central place such as Frisco, CO for your entire visit and ski many days each at the great Epic Pass ski resorts nearby.
post #18 of 29
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Originally Posted by Jamesj View Post
- Again, use the van service to get to Vail and Beaver Creek and ski there for a few days.
I'm not sure that you can do this -- it's my understanding that CME will not transport from Summit County to Vail/BC.
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by habacomike View Post
I'm not sure that you can do this -- it's my understanding that CME will not transport from Summit County to Vail/BC.
That is correct. However, Vail occasionally runs a bus from Summit County to Vail. It's just darn hard to predict when they will do it. Here's the info. However, please be sure to call to see if it's up to date. Keep in mind that if you do rent a car and drive, Vail has a $25 parking fee.

Again, there is a greyhound bus from Frisco to Vail, but if it's close to impossible to get a seat on the bus from Frisco to Denver, imagine what could happen on Greyhound.
post #20 of 29
Thread Starter 
True, I was wondering just that, how to go from Summit County to Vail. We'll be there for about 8 days, though, I guess its enough time to figure it out.

Heavenly would be ideal, will depend on conditions in CA.

Btw, any recommendations for New Years Eve in Breckenridge?
post #21 of 29
Interesting Question. The locals stay pretty quiet on New Year's Eve, because most of us have to work the next day. However, the entire Town of Breck will probably have a number of parties at the local bars, so it's probably the best place to be.

BTW, where are you staying in Breck? The Fireside Inn has a pretty cheap ski hostel.
post #22 of 29
Thread Starter 
Yep, thats where we`re staying! Tks anyway.
post #23 of 29
You are SO going to love it! Nikki and Andy's (the owners) daughter Robin is a high school senior, who hangs out with an awesome, and pretty mature group of kids. I'm sure that she can tell you about all the local parties!
post #24 of 29
Rent a car!!!

And Telluride *is* out of the way, but that's part of it's charm. I highly recommend visiting as it's unlike any other Colorado resort you will go to and has much better vistas/terrain. I spent a winter there and have missed it ever since ...

If I remember correctly, it was about a 7/8-hour drive from Denver and you can hit Aspen between them.

And if you do go to Telluride, you might as well make another hour detour beyond and visit Ouray. The ice park is quite a sight (and very fun to climb).
post #25 of 29
Hi guys

I also have been struggling to find a way from Keystone to Vail, not just for the day, but with luggage, ski etc.

The best I have found so far is freshtracks transportation who will charge $80 for my wife and I with a mid pm transfer time.

Does this seem reasonable ?
A rental car isn't an option.

Hopefully not off topic as it may help OP

Cheers
post #26 of 29
Thread Starter 
Hi, indeed it seems so complicated!
I just found this

http://keystone.snow.com/info/concie...ailexpress.asp

But Fresh Tracks seems to do the same for $35, without the Tuesday/Thursday restrictions. Anyway, I found this online, maybe locals can have better suggestions.

Btw, can I get to A-basin with the Summit Stage (for free) from Breck?

Tks!
post #27 of 29
Quote:
Btw, can I get to A-basin with the Summit Stage (for free) from Breck?

Tks!
You sure can! take the Summit Stage to Keystone and change for the A-basin bus. During winter, there is also a bus from Breck to Keystone, which is much shorter than the other route. However, it has a quirky schedule, usually just once an hour.
post #28 of 29
Thread Starter 
Tks!
Today A-Basin totally made its way in our itinerary, it snowed crazy! - from what we saw online....

So, Im wondering why FreshTracks says it charges US35 for a trip to/from Vail/Breck, etc. and yet holo was quoted US80... maybe I should call and ask.

I just asked in the other thread, is there a rental Co. in Vail or nearby, besides Enterprise (they only do pick-up and drop-off at the same location)? Cant find anything but Eagle County- which makes no sense, cause then Id have to pay for a shuttle to there to rent a car ..

tks!
post #29 of 29
ahh, I can help here. This is what Fresh Tracks told me. I have asked if they can do a one way price as well.

Quote:
thanks for your interest in Fresh Tracks providing shuttle service to Vail. There are two options for you. There is a shuttle that leaves at 7:30am but is the daily ski shuttle so there is no extra room for luggage without being charged for all the room the luggage takes up on the seats. The vans do not have a trunk or luggage storage space so we can't sell those seats because the bags would be there. If you take the 7:30am shuttle you will arrive in Vail around 9:00am. The other option is a 3:15pm departure and that shuttle is usually not full so there is just an extra $10 total luggage fee plus the per person rate, so roughly $80. You will arrive to Vail around 4:30pm.
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