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post #61 of 81
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It also can screw it up for others trying to qualify for rankings/Nationals in your age group.
I agree, not a good thing at all. If you have 2 profiles and use them at the same resort, and end up qualifying for the Nationals under both, then you deprive someone else a chance at qualifying (to 3 from each resort are invited). There are ways they handle the racers that have qualified from multiple resorts in the system.
post #62 of 81
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Originally Posted by NE1 View Post
Actually, the concern would be for someone whom you bumped to a lower ranking at any resort using your other number(s). And especially to fourth place, potentially eliminating an invitation to Nationals.

As for National qualification, if you qualify under the same number at multiple resorts, only your best resort ranking is used, and the baton for a Nationals invitation at the other resorts passes on to others (fourth place, etc.).
OK, just being devil's advocate here

So, let's pretend I'm a good racer at a resort out West, but am currently sitting in fourth and thus just out of the National's picture. IF I really, really, really want to go to Nationals and see that my scores would put me at the top of the heap at Little Nob Hill in SE Nebraska, so I hop in my car, drive there for the weekend, race, under my same number, to my usual standards and next week, I'm the top racer for my age group at Little Nob Hill and I have qualified for Nationals and bumped someone from Little Nob Hill out of the picture.

Guess the point is the system can be abused either way..... But I do see your point that two numbers would not be a good thing. Would have hoped that NASTAR would a better -de-dup'ing process in place to prevent those. Like I said earlier, for me - who isn't going to bump anyone with my race results, it allows me to participate with all the groups I that I want to join. For me it's just for the fun of it.

BTW, I didn't actually create my second account. I didn't even know I had one until I went looking for my league results and couldn't find them. Then discovered that they (NASTER/League ??) had created a new account when the results were sent to NASTAR. I did try to merge the accounts once, but got errors on NASTAR's web site. So, I race out west for the Bears and at home for my league.
post #63 of 81

So, since I brought up the topic of sandbagging in NASTAR, was looking at the rankings for my age group/level which is silver and noticed that the top ranked skier had a handicap that would be a gold level.  Wondering how that could be, so I clicked on his name and pulled up his race results.  In his results, he has all silvers with the exception of one day when he posts a Platinum race - 4 seconds faster than his previous best time.  So, his handicap drops from @30 to just over 5 for this race. And that's the handicap NASTAR uses for his ranking.

 

In golf, I would say this would be like a guy who shoots 90 on a daily basis dropping to a 75 for a round.  Not impossible, but definitely way out there statistically speaking.  I'm wondering if a 4 second drop on a NASTAR course is equally improbable?

post #64 of 81

Hey Richie;

 

Some of us Raced last weekend.  I ran Sat.  Phil and BPA ran Sunday.  BPA hung a 15.98

Feb 22nd, 2009 - Sunday  Daily Nastar

 

 

Feb 21st, 2009 - Saturday  Daily Nastar

post #65 of 81
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Originally Posted by Tag View Post

 

So, since I brought up the topic of sandbagging in NASTAR, was looking at the rankings for my age group/level which is silver and noticed that the top ranked skier had a handicap that would be a gold level.  Wondering how that could be, so I clicked on his name and pulled up his race results.  In his results, he has all silvers with the exception of one day when he posts a Platinum race - 4 seconds faster than his previous best time.  So, his handicap drops from @30 to just over 5 for this race. And that's the handicap NASTAR uses for his ranking.

 

In golf, I would say this would be like a guy who shoots 90 on a daily basis dropping to a 75 for a round.  Not impossible, but definitely way out there statistically speaking.  I'm wondering if a 4 second drop on a NASTAR course is equally improbable?


 

I would check and see how the other racers did the day that guy got platinum.  If the pacesetter had a horrible run, almost fell or something like that then everyone else had a GREAT day.  That's how that can happen.

post #66 of 81
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Originally Posted by crgildart View Post

 


 

I would check and see how the other racers did the day that guy got platinum.  If the pacesetter had a horrible run, almost fell or something like that then everyone else had a GREAT day.  That's how that can happen.


 

NASTAR although it is a good system, is not perfect.  Many variables can contribute to skewed handicaps.  Course conditions change through the day, maybe faster, maybe slower.  Different course sets can favor different skiers.  A speed-suit can be worth up to a full second on a 25 second par time NASTAR course.  Sometimes the pacesetter, who sets the par time screws up.

 

I have been the main course/pacesetter at my home area for the last 6 years & have always taken pride in the fact that our racing participants have a fair race with accurate handicaps.  The fatest participant from the 07' NASTAR nationals is from my hill, so I can ocassionally use his times as a gauge to see how accurate our races are.  This year has been tough for me,  I had back problems early on in the season, & my runs have been uncharacteristically inconsistant.  At Keystone during last years regional pacesetter trials,  my coat handicap was 11.65 & my suit handicap was a 5.37.  I felt the 11.65 was a pretty legitamate number even though Keystones hill is much flatter than mine.  Since I don't wear a suit, I use the 11.65.  This season I have been all over the place with my runs, so I elected to turn pacesetting duties over to another one of our guys, who is skiing very well & I think this has brought us back in line for now.  The point is that a couple of those races where I couldn't get it together, gave some people significantly lower handicaps than normal.  In one race, my National Champion friend beat the par time, & the race was recalculated using one of his higher handicaps from last years nationals.  I think this put everyones handicap a little higher than normal that day, but like I said "it's not perfect".  He had a great run that day, & was really probably closer to a 1 or 2 handicap.

 

NASTAR is a great program to give people from all over the country a chance to get a taste of racing competition, but with all the variables from day to day & thousands of participants in different venues the system is pretty good, just not perfect.

 

You can take it seriously, just not too seriously.

 

Thanks,

JF

 

 

 

post #67 of 81
Thread Starter 

I have not been fortunate to be at any resorts this season, save for one, that had any NASTAR running while I was there.

post #68 of 81

Since all the nastar racing is over now, how does everyone rate how they did this year?

 

I'm average, still need to improve on a few things over the summer.

post #69 of 81
Thread Starter 

Zero...I had no NASTAR gate time.

post #70 of 81

I needed another day of racing to go from the top of the silver to the bottom of the gold.  Ain't gonna happen this year.  I shouldn't complain as I ended the year (month actually) getting golds and this is my first year trying; started with bronze.

 

I still have so much to learn.  I'm going to try to end next year as a solid gold.  Will try to do a race camp in December.  Did 84 starts this year and hope to have at least 100 next year.

 

The best part was my 11 year old daughter gave it a try and loves it too.  Her second time out she was getting silvers.

 

post #71 of 81

Kanakry, with your handicap, you're hardly "average"!  We'd all like to be able to post those kinds of times.

 

My year ended at Steamboat this past weekend with my fourth national age group title in snowboarding.  Unfortunately my efforts to repeat in skiing were shattered along with my ankle Saturday morning.  At least it happened at the end of the season.

post #72 of 81


 

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Originally Posted by patmoore View Post

 

Kanakry, with your handicap, you're hardly "average"!  We'd all like to be able to post those kinds of times.

 

My year ended at Steamboat this past weekend with my fourth national age group title in snowboarding.  Unfortunately my efforts to repeat in skiing were shattered along with my ankle Saturday morning.  At least it happened at the end of the season.


 

Don't let the handicap fool you Pat I'm average. 

 

Sucks you couldn't double gold this year again.

post #73 of 81

How do you get on this "Bears" team?

Looks like a fun deal. I usually only get to do our "beer League" but I had a pretty good year (thanks to Elan's new GSXs) I didn't get to race with U.P. during Age Class though.

U.P. I've got the Bloody Mary mix in small quantities now.

post #74 of 81

SLATZ, jump aboard!  Go to www.NASTAR.com  and click on the "register to race" link on the left.  Fill out the information, and pick the Epic Ski Bears as your friends and family team on the form.  Done. 

post #75 of 81

OK, I figured it out. It's done.

Thanks

post #76 of 81

 

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I usually only get to do our "beer League" but I had a pretty good year

U.P. I've got the Bloody Mary mix in small quantities now.


If I lived in New Glarus, I'd join that "beer league" too.  I only get to drink their beer when they come to Denver for the Great American Beer Festival.  I'm soooo jealous.

post #77 of 81

New Glarus beer isn't as good as it used to be before they got big. Most of my favorites were discontinued, like Norski Maibock, Cabin Fever and Solstice wheat. They still make Staghorn Octoberfest and Belgian Red cherry ale though. Spotted Cow tastes, to me, like the part of the cow it most resembles. 

I was just at Winter Park for the J4s.

post #78 of 81

 

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Originally Posted by SLATZ View Post

 Belgian Red cherry ale though.

I was just at Winter Park for the J4s.

AAAHHHhhhhhh!!!!   Please tell me you didn't drive to WP.  I would have found a way to reimburse you for the trouble of purchasing and transporting it here. I love the Belgian Red and the Raspberry Tart.

post #79 of 81

 

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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
No one has mentioned the Jamaicans yet...a force to contend with for sure.


http://catherinekerr.webs.com/athletes.htm

 

Don't discount them yet!

post #80 of 81

daysailer1

A family funeral caused me to fly. However I might be able to send you some "used auto parts" from my shop.

I don't see how to send a PM on this new format.

post #81 of 81

I'm sorry to hear about your recent loss.  Those are always hard.

 

On a happier note, I could use some "used auto parts".I'll try sending a PM with contact information.

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