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post #31 of 73
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Originally Posted by Zman View Post
Stockli DP Pros -- 94mm waist. Older model that is still available. Not for bumps, not for trees, but for kicking butt in bowls, they're the best.
I've heard good things about the DPs, but for the lighter, less aggressive skier the Stockli Snake BCs and Stormrider TTs are probably an easier choice. My first day on the Snakes was the first time I actually sought out crud just to blast through it.
post #32 of 73
Bump for more looks.
post #33 of 73
I own 184 Mantras & 178 Mythic Riders.

The Mythics are far better crudbusters. Stiffer & straigher.

Mantras are better in powder.
post #34 of 73
I think the Enforcer is the best crud-killer I've ever skied.
post #35 of 73
The old Elan 777
post #36 of 73
Tromano IM103 are by far the most solid crud skis I have ever skied on.

Tried the 192cm 777 and i couldnt handle it all in flat light.
post #37 of 73
Blizzard Argos

Straightish shape, and medium flex, makes this ski a locomotive in crud....floats pretty good as well with a soft tip
post #38 of 73
Thread Starter 
I really hear a pair of Stocki XXXL's calling my name. But, not being back on the snow until spring will likely put that purchase on the back burner. I bet the DP Pro would be even better.
post #39 of 73

bump

the 88 - 100 'all mtn' still seems the bullseye for many... and busting the crud has to be a cornerstone of the real all mtn.

 

so 4 yrs later, which, in the new breed, are the crud busters? some comparos to the older style bds mentioned in prior posts would be very interesting and informative.  also things that the old ones could do which you wished the new ones did a bit better (if that fits).

 

so which are the new kings of crud?

post #40 of 73

Within that width range two that stand out for me are the Dynastar Legend 94 and the Salomon Sentinel. Both share a fairly straight shape and a small tip rise along with a smooth damp feel. The Sentinel is somewhat stiffer which allows higher speed stability in rough snow at the expense of a bit of the maneuverability of the Legend. Both are great choices for broken and mixed, soft snow.

 

SJ

post #41 of 73

Nice bump. I'd vote for the Stockli Stormrider 95, no close second, but also think highly of the MX88, Apex for crud, then another beat back the MX98, VXL, last year's Spire. IMO these are all a little better than the usual suspects made by Head, Dynastar, K2. Cannot comment on the Sentinel or the Bonafide. But note that I define a crud buster as not just able to remain unperturbed by crud but also to do stuff like turn without requiring an industrial crane, and to have some snowfeel and life to them. So as always not an easy category in which to excel.

 

Also wonder if the category has evolved upward. Most skiers I know are actually skiing 98-110 when crud's an issue. Skis in that range handle a lot like 88-100's did 4 years ago. 

post #42 of 73

For those of us who use a narrower quiver, what are some sub-88 skis that are great crud-busters?  I ask because I really enjoy my WC SL's most of the time, but would like something that can still rip but handle the crud/ variable conditions a little bit better.  

post #43 of 73

Another great question. I skied the Stockli CX in heavy clumps of slush, it never missed a beat. Am told the SX is even stronger. The old Heads like the iSpeed or Magnum were/are really good in heavy variable. Can't speak to the KERS versions. If you want to go a bit wider, the Head Titan or the Stockli XXL, for sure. Sub-80 Kastles are very competent in crud, IMO, but not superior. The Dynastar 4x4, but unclear what the new version of that will be, or if it will be. The Elan Waveflex Ti 14 is said to be very solid in chop and crud for a narrow carver. I've lost track of Volkl, but they used to be pretty reliable in bad snow. 

post #44 of 73

Not to be a shill for the big R, but the E98 works very well for crud.

post #45 of 73

Three that immediately come to mind are the Legend 85 and the Enduro 800 or 850................ain't that a coinky-dink?

 

SJ

post #46 of 73
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by eastskier44 View Post

For those of us who use a narrower quiver, what are some sub-88 skis that are great crud-busters?  I ask because I really enjoy my WC SL's most of the time, but would like something that can still rip but handle the crud/ variable conditions a little bit better.  



Kastle MX78 is a very good tool.  Head Peak 78/84 will do it all. Stockli XXL, even the old XL blasts crud.  My buddy likes his old Salomon X-wing Fury skis for crud. There are others, but those are a few to consider, at least that I have had positive experience on. 

post #47 of 73

For narrower, those Contact 4x4 will bust if you really want to rip.  Don't even think about going slow or trying shorter turn radius. They are burly and stiff, 75mm underfoot, and they move FAST.  You really need to stay on top of them in the crud, or you will be along for the ride.  They really rip.

post #48 of 73

I love skiing crud & I've always had some crud busters, Rossi B4s, Volant Chubbs and most recently Dynastar Legend Pros but with the new ski designs I've given up on crud busters and gone with skis that handle crud with more finesse. The problem with crudbusters is they are usually stiff which means they don't absorb impacts as well and I was getting tired of the pounding from buried moguls, dense windpack, buried ice chunks, etc. My current ski of choice in crud is a pair of Dynastar Slicers. They handle all sorts of crud and my body doesn't take as much pounding as it used to. Back in the 90s consultants used to love to drop the buzz phrase 'paradign shift' & we'd usually chuckle because it was usually used of context but I don't hesitate to use it now because I really believe their has been a significant paradign shift in how skis handle crud over the past few years and anyone looking for a crud ski should rethink what makes a good crud ski.

post #49 of 73

At 6' 2" and near 200 pounds, I'm having fun in the crud on a pair of Atomic Nomad Savages that I just bought on a whim (and an unbelievable price).

 

For the past several years, I've focussed my ski choices on snappy, playful, skis that like shorter radius turns.

 

These Savages want to GO.  They have rekindled my love of big, fat, GS turns (do I need to capitalize "Kindle" these days?!).

 

But......they do make the runs on an already small-ish mountain (Mt. Hood Meadows) seem even shorter than they already are!

post #50 of 73

what we calling crud? wont most skis if skied fast enough blast through crud?

post #51 of 73
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what we calling crud? wont most skis if skied fast enough blast through crud?

 

Nope, a lot of skis at high speed will be bounced around so much it would be impossible to maintain control.  Then there's is the sidecut, the best crud skis are mostly straighter with minimal side cut to slice through crud.  Soft Tips also play a role as do rockered tips.  You have to either go through the crud (softer ride) like a Mythic Rider or over the crud (bouncy bouncy) like my S7's

Personally I love my Mythic Riders in the crud, it's like a bulldozer in the crud and just make you want to go faster and faster.
 

 

post #52 of 73

K2 Hardside gets my vote for the best crudbusting ski at under 100mm waist. The Hardside is 98mm and is a twin metal lam with sidewall construction. Pretty much it's a 98 waisted GS race construction. The All-Mtn Rocker or "early rise" makes it very easy to ski. For me, the Sidestash is my ski of choice for the PNW crud and spend most of my time at Crystal Mtn. The other day I was on getting on the lift and saw 6 guys in front of me loading 4 of 6 were on Sidestash or Hardside. I've had both the older Stash with a little bit of rocker and the new one with more more rocker and prefer the new model. 

post #53 of 73
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Originally Posted by huhh View Post

 

1.  Then there's the sidecut, the best crud skis are mostly straighter with minimal side cut to slice through crud.

 

2.  Soft Tips also play a role as do rockered tips. 

 

3.  You have to either go through the crud (softer ride) like a Mythic Rider or over the crud (bouncy bouncy) like my S7's

 



1.  I don't buy the common idea that a crud buster cannot have fairly deep sidecut.  Two of my all-time favorites DO have deep or at least deep-ish sidecut.  It really allows great tip steering through subtle ankle tilting.

 

2.  Totally agree.  Soft-ish tip or at least slightly rockered tip is good.  Too much tip rocker can put you into bouncy bouncy territory.

 

3.  Again, totally agree.  There is a pretty common belief that wide is good for crud, but as you noted, you want to SLICE through crud, not bounce across the very top of every contour.

post #54 of 73

I actually use my Rossi WC SL's right now to bust crud and they are surprisingly good.  They have a stiff tip, as mentioned above, but also have a very deep sidecut.  If you are planning on skidding through crud, then I would agree, you need something with a straighter sidecut.  But I just lay the WC SL's on their edges and they slice through crud pretty well.

post #55 of 73

i used a pair of scott aztec pros in crud all last week and ive read some folk think theyre to light and no good for it, 78mm waist 15 radius and i loved ram raiding through the variable conditions

post #56 of 73
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

Three that immediately come to mind are the Legend 85 and the Enduro 800 or 850................ain't that a coinky-dink?

 

SJ


yes a salomon 850 or new blizzard 8.5 ti no?

 

post #57 of 73
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Originally Posted by cruddog View Post

K2 Hardside gets my vote for the best crudbusting ski at under 100mm waist. The Hardside is 98mm and is a twin metal lam with sidewall construction. Pretty much it's a 98 waisted GS race construction. The All-Mtn Rocker or "early rise" makes it very easy to ski. For me, the Sidestash is my ski of choice for the PNW crud and spend most of my time at Crystal Mtn. The other day I was on getting on the lift and saw 6 guys in front of me loading 4 of 6 were on Sidestash or Hardside. I've had both the older Stash with a little bit of rocker and the new one with more more rocker and prefer the new model. 



Yep, Hardsides are very popular at CM... still lot's of nostalgia for Vashon.


Edited by markojp - 3/5/12 at 7:49am
post #58 of 73

The revival of this topic has great timing as this is exactly what i'm looking for.  Despite my attempts to find powder while visiting out west, i am more normally greated with crud.  I demoed some Nordica Soul Rider's at Kicking Horse this past trip and loved the experience.  They handled the crud and 12ish inches of powder as expected, but it was their ability on the groomers that really surpised and impressed me.  I tried some Rossi S3's last year and couldn't stand them on the groomers back to the lifts.  I saw earlier mention of the Nordica Enforcer as a nice crud ski and i know they have similar technology but with different cores and tails.  I'm not sure i need the twin tip of the SR so i'm wonder if the Enforcer might be a better match. Does anyone have any snow experience on both and can comment on similarities and difference?

post #59 of 73

The Enforcer is entirely different than the SR. That is to say different, not necessarily better or worse. The Enforcer is a very conventional ski with a metal/glass layup. It skis smooth, stable and grippy. It is not smeary or slarvy like some skis in this range. The Enforcer is a real solid ski for really good skiers and it is (IMO) the ski that the Volkl Mantra should have been but never really was.

 

SJ

post #60 of 73
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

The Enforcer is entirely different than the SR. That is to say different, not necessarily better or worse. The Enforcer is a very conventional ski with a metal/glass layup. It skis smooth, stable and grippy. It is not smeary or slarvy like some skis in this range. The Enforcer is a real solid ski for really good skiers and it is (IMO) the ski that the Volkl Mantra should have been but never really was.

 

SJ



Another kudos for the Enforcer.  That is my big ski (I know 100 is no longer big).  If I'm resort skiing (pretty much always) and there is signficant new snow but no more falling, I grab the Savages.  If it is still coming down during the ski day, the Enforcers come out to play.

 

Mine are a few years old, and being a good American consumer, I cannot help but wonder if the new version with just a bit of early rise might be an even better ski everywhere but the groomers?

 

And SJ is dead on.  The Enforcer is most definitely not a smeary ski.

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