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The best 88-100mm crudbuster skis? Your opinion please....

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I am posting to see what the general consensus is on the 88-100mm ski offerings for the upcoming year. I haven't tried them all, but have been on as many as I could last spring. FWIW, I would ski a 90mm everywhere, but probably more likely to ski it on a 6-12" new snow day, or for variable snow when I don't know what to expect. 100mm skis I have been on aren't as versatile, but I would take them on a trip to a snowy locale.

Feel free to post your opinions below. My time on these has been relatively limited, save for the few 2008 carryover skis and a couple of extended demos I managed to get my hands on last spring.

Atomic Snoop Daddy: I haven't skied it, but hear great things

Blizzard Cronus: the only serious time I had on these, unfortunately the ski had a bent tip. Felt lighter than I had expected.

Blizzard Argos: I haven't skied it.

Blizzard Magnum 8.7: great ski, very similar (but wider) when compared to the Elan 82ti. Super powerful, not too stiff (great for lighter skiers like myself) and extremely stable and confidence-inspiring at speed. Wil be a top ski for 2009.

Dynastar Mythic Rider: a great ski, very versatile, not demanding. A little soft at the top end, can be skied in any condition, fun in crud.

Dynastar Legend Pro: Very easy to ski for a wide board, nice float, the longer 184 felt just about perfect for me. Not as stable at speed as the bigger Huge Trouble. Makes a great crudbuster, sluggish on the groomers.

Elan 888: one of my personal faves, very good all-around ski, and the one I take with me on a trip when I don't know what to expect. Feels like a big GS on the groomers, great in crud, very stable.

Fischer: Watea 94: extremely versatile, very light underfoot, snappy and easy to ski. Not the most stable at speed in crud, handles moderate speeds very well. More versatile than the 94mm width would suggest.

Head: iM88: has been around awhile, but still a great big-feeling crudbuster and all-mountain ski. Can do pretty much anything, best for more aggressive skiers, with a fairly heavy and powerful feel to it.

Head Mojo 94: very solid, damp wood-core feel backside ski. A little suggish on the grooomers, confidence-inspiring at speed in crud.

K2 Outlaw: Relatively easy to ski, good performance vs. input ratio. Also not bad for the more aggressive skier, although I think many on this list are more powerful and stable. Solid in crud, but didn't stand out in any respect. Very damp, typical K2.


Kastle MX88: I haven't skied this model

Kastle MX98: maybe my favorite ski here. Very forgiving, as powerful as anything listed, and a more solid carver than most in this category. Expensive, but you get what you pay for....

Nordica Hot Rod Helldiver: 90mm underfoot, feels a bit carvier than some at this width. Fun ski all around the hill, a little light in the loafers for aggressive skiers. More of a 50/50 wide ski than a real crudbuster empahsis. Fun on the groomers.

Nordica Hot Rod Hellcat: I haven't skied it, but is the Helldiver with 1 more layer of metal. I probably would like it, as I have grown to like the Jet Fuel and Mach 3 Power as my skills increased last year.

Nordica Enforcer: I really liked this ski. The flex was perfect for me, it handled the crud with ease, was stable and easy to ski, and even carved well for a wide ski. I was very impressed.

Rossignol Phantom SC95: I haven't been on ski, nor another Rossi in awhile.

Salomon Lord: I skied this and wasn't overly impressed. For a middle-of-the-road width, not a very good carver, and pretty nervous at speed. OK in crud, but not spectacular at higher speeds. Also a little light at speed. I think a traditional cambered ski, rather than a rocker, makes a much more versatile all-mountain ski. None of the rocker or flat-camber skis I have tried have been really versatile, but are great at what they do.

Stockli Stormrider XXXL: perhaps my favorite crud-buster ski if I only skied 6 runs a day. It owned the mountain at speed, and I could do no wrong. Once I got tired, I could do no right on ski; it is as demanding as they come. Unparalleled stability and smoothness at speed, terrible in bumps, a solid carver, totally unforgiving.

Volkl Grizzly: A great 1-ski quiver option. Very powerful off-piste, stable, more of a big brusier feel than is typical with Volkl (Tigershark influence perhaps?). Better ski for good skiers than the AC50. I liked it, probably on my top 5 on this list.

Volkl Mantra: very solid wood-core feel, stable at speed, relatively easy to ski. Like a big Elan 888, but more width underfoot and not as quick.

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Blizzard Cronus: the only serious time I had on these, unfortunately the ski had a bent tip. Felt lighter than I had expected.
This is a ski that really disappointed me. Coming from the Titan Nine, the predecessor to the Cronos, I expected to love the ski, not the case. The Cronos was really lacking the substance and beef of the Titan Nine.

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Blizzard Magnum 8.7: great ski, very similar (but wider) when compared to the Elan 82ti. Super powerful, not too stiff (great for lighter skiers like myself) and extremely stable and confidence-inspiring at speed. Wil be a top ski for 2009.
I bought a pair w/o demoing. I am expecting great things from this ski, it feel much more like my Titans did.

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Elan 888: one of my personal faves, very good all-around ski, and the one I take with me on a trip when I don't know what to expect. Feels like a big GS on the groomers, great in crud, very stable.
Very few skis I buy twice and this is one of them. Fun ski, very nimble. Mounting this years up with a Jester. I am sure my son will confiscate this pair too.

Although the 888 and Mag 8.7 have very similar dimensions, I have both in the quiver, I am expecting these skis to act very differently.


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Fischer: Watea 94: extremely versatile, very light underfoot, snappy and easy to ski. Not the most stable at speed in crud, handles moderate speeds very well. More versatile than the 94mm width would suggest.
I skied these for a couple of days out in Steamboat last year and agree 100% with Dawg about they way they skied. Also, with Fischers..there is something about their "sound", tap a Fischer with your finger..they have a different sound.

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Kastle MX88: I haven't skied this model
I did ski this and was very impressed, felt like a modern version of an old Kastle, they kept the spirit.
post #3 of 73
Here's what your missing:

Line Prophet 100 / Karhu Jak Team 100. (They make a 90 now too, but I've never skied it...) This ski rails on hardpack, is stiff enough to blast through heavy crud, and wide enough to float in the bottomless. Try to get on some if you can!
post #4 of 73
Titan Argos
Blizzard 8.7
volkl Mantra

Give me any of these and I will smile!!
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I agree with the Enforcer, despite other negative reviews I have read elsewhere. I liked the Prophet 100 so much last year that it is my go to ski for this year.
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Mythic Rider-Last years everyday ski a very good daily driver for Tahoe. For my preferences as good a crud ski as I have skied. I would have just kept this ski for this year but decided to start fresh.

Blizz Titan Argos-This will be what I start the season with as a daily driver. Unknown quantity at this point, but the straightish shape and medium flex are intrigueing. I suddenly find myself as a Blizzard dealer and I've never owned one so this is self education.

SJ
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post #7 of 73
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Dynastar Mythic Rider: a great ski, very versatile, not demanding. A little soft at the top end, can be skied in any condition, fun in crud.
Please expand on what you mean by "a little soft at the top end . . ."
post #8 of 73
Hi Scott,

Elan 888. You said crud, right?

You should add the Atomic Nomad Crimson, its only 86mm wide but can do the job as well as many on this list.

Michael
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Mantra
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The 183 Stiff Bro IMHO is just about the best crudbuster made. I you ever have a chance give them a try. I think PM Gear was doing one last special order of these this year of about 100 pairs. Not sure if they have any left. If your ever in UT and have a 295 BSL your welcome to give mine a try.
post #11 of 73
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Atomic Snoop Daddy: I haven't skied it, but hear great things
So do I, but IMO neither the old one nor the Sugar Daddy was smooth enough to hit your criteria.

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Blizzard Cronus: the only serious time I had on these, unfortunately the ski had a bent tip. Felt lighter than I had expected.
Both you and Phil have missed the boat on this ski. Phil thinks it's the successor to the Titan 9. I own both; it's not, nor was it ever meant to be. The Argos is the new Titan 9, guys. The Cronus has totally different internals than the Titan 9 (no metal), and IMO was targeted at a whole new audience. It competed with the Head Mojo 90 and now the Fischer Watea series, wood and carbon, light and moderate flex, excellent grip. And Dawg, you need to ski one with a normal tip. It's light but like the Watea 94, that doesn't translate to unstable.

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Blizzard Argos: I haven't skied it.
Me neither, but I've heard so many positives about it it's on my short list to replace my Mantras and Titan 9's.

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Fischer: Watea 94: extremely versatile, very light underfoot, snappy and easy to ski. Not the most stable at speed in crud, handles moderate speeds very well. More versatile than the 94mm width would suggest.
Have skied the 84, can only say that suspect all these are targeted at off piste or soft snow. Not sure it would obliterate stiff or partly refrozen crud like your criteria wants.

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Head: iM88: has been around awhile, but still a great big-feeling crudbuster and all-mountain ski. Can do pretty much anything, best for more aggressive skiers, with a fairly heavy and powerful feel to it.
This ski still defines the category. Mostly agree with your characterization, but as another lightweight, still find it fairly easy to maneuver as long as I'm firm with it.

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K2 Outlaw: Relatively easy to ski, good performance vs. input ratio. Also not bad for the more aggressive skier, although I think many on this list are more powerful and stable. Solid in crud, but didn't stand out in any respect. Very damp, typical K2.
Yes, good in crud, like a big sluggish boat in chop.

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Kastle MX88: I haven't skied this model
Me neither but boy do I plan to. Sounds like a child of the iM88 and the Cronus.


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Stockli Stormrider XXXL: perhaps my favorite crud-buster ski if I only skied 6 runs a day. It owned the mountain at speed, and I could do no wrong. Once I got tired, I could do no right on ski; it is as demanding as they come. Unparalleled stability and smoothness at speed, terrible in bumps, a solid carver, totally unforgiving.
Wonder if the XXXL is very different than the old SS with the wood core. Which I have, and while it's clearly designed for the wide open spaces (kinda like a beefy Titan 9), and not especially forgiving, I found it more maneuverable than its reputation suggested, and quite happy feathering, pivoting, or scarving. As long as I'm on my A game, it's a really nice ski. If I'm not, it beats me up.

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Volkl Mantra: very solid wood-core feel, stable at speed, relatively easy to ski. Like a big Elan 888, but more width underfoot and not as quick.
I'd put this as second best crud buster after the iM88, and its lightness makes it more suitable for AT/sidebounds. Wish it liked bumps, is all.

Agree about the LP, and to your list, I'd add the Goliath Sluff, which appears to be a beefier, all wood Mantra. Literally; the measurements are very similar, including the extreme taper, and if you correct for the Mantra's flip tail, the same running length, and weighs about the same. Some reviews say its very quick and energetic, some say it's a battering ram, my friend with the old (108) Goliath says that one rules bad snow. I'd think hard about it.
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I only have experience with the Mythic Rider, iM88, and Watea 94, but I like the Watea the best overall -- it has a lighter, more energetic feel than the others. I love the way the Wateas level out transitions between powder, crud, and groomed -- they make it a non-event. It results in a lot of confidence when skiing mixed conditions. And they do this without feeling heavy or stiff. I should qualify my observations by noting they are all based on Utah powder. I cannot say if the Wateas would do as well in less ideal variations of crud.
post #13 of 73
Dawg,

I know it is slightly wider than you asked for, but the Head im103 (now supermojo) is with out a doubt the best crud ski I have ever been on. It doesn't stink on groomers either. Actually it is quite good in terms of holding an edge. And I don't find it unforgiving either. But just don't to to make too many turns on it.

I don't think you can call it a list of crud busters without the 103 on the list.

For the record I do have about 40lbs on you so that probably has something to do with it.
post #14 of 73
Stockli DP Pros -- 94mm waist. Older model that is still available. Not for bumps, not for trees, but for kicking butt in bowls, they're the best.
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I've skied the old (foam, 88mm) snoops a fair bit. They are fun on groomers and surprisingly good in powder, but not great when the snow is cruddy. I ski on explosives most days. These are great crudbusters....and they are cheap! I plan on eventually replacing these with some older LPs.
post #16 of 73
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Dawg,

I know it is slightly wider than you asked for, but the Head im103 (now supermojo) is with out a doubt the best crud ski I have ever been on. It doesn't stink on groomers either. Actually it is quite good in terms of holding an edge. And I don't find it unforgiving either. But just don't to to make too many turns on it.

I don't think you can call it a list of crud busters without the 103 on the list.

For the record I do have about 40lbs on you so that probably has something to do with it.
I haven't skied the new 103, but a friend who is a L3 and a very skilled skier said it pushed him around. He is only 170, though. Hopefully, I can get some time on one. I also want to try the PM Gear skis, but haven't seen many around to try.

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post #17 of 73
Elan Magfire 14's - I don't know that an avalanche could deflect these...but I don't think they make the 88mm cut either... 82 I think.
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Elan Magfire 14's - I don't know that an avalanche could deflect these...but I don't think they make the 88mm cut either... 82 I think.
yeah, but it takes an avalanche to flex them too!

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yeah, but it takes an avalanche to flex them too!
Quit riding so much! Weight weenie...
post #20 of 73
Hard to beat Mantra for crud and it can carve PP groomers too. Requires leg strength though!
post #21 of 73
i feel invincible on my tankers in crud
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Both you and Phil have missed the boat on this ski. Phil thinks it's the successor to the Titan 9. I own both; it's not, nor was it ever meant to be. The Argos is the new Titan 9, guys. The Cronus has totally different internals than the Titan 9 (no metal), and IMO was targeted at a whole new audience. It competed with the Head Mojo 90 and now the Fischer Watea series, wood and carbon, light and moderate flex, excellent grip. And Dawg, you need to ski one with a normal tip. It's light but like the Watea 94, that doesn't translate to unstable.
Honestly, doesn't matter I didn't like at all. The tip floated all over the place, for an upper 80's width ski, if inspired no confidence at all. IMHO the Watea 94 smoked it.
post #23 of 73
Hey Scott!
How's the rehab going? I demoed a pair of Armada ARV's last March and ended up buying a pair a week later. They are currently my favorite all mountain crud ski. Some people find them to be too soft, but I really like them and since you have skied with me, you know that I ski somewhat quickly, so the soft flex is not a problem. The 2009 versions are supposed to be slightly stiffer due to a different core lay-up or so the rep said. I have the 185's 130 95 119. The 175's are 125 92 114. BTW they are made in the Atomic factory.
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Beg Mtnlion for a pair of the good old Völkl Explosives if you can't get a hold of some Bros hands down.
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Would anyone out there who's skied them please comment on the Line Prophet 100?
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Would anyone out there who's skied them please comment on the Line Prophet 100?
I have skied the P-100 quite a bit and I like it a lot. Within the context of this thread however, it is not that high on my list as a crudbuster. For my tastes, it has too much shape (especially in the tail) for that task.

Good ski though and YMMV

SJ
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post #27 of 73
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I have skied the P-100 quite a bit and I like it a lot. Within the context of this thread however, it is not that high on my list as a crudbuster. For my tastes, it has too much shape (especially in the tail) for that task.

Good ski though and YMMV

SJ
I own and ski the P100 almost exclusively but you are coorect they are the greatest crud buster. They will do it but they have too much shape for full on crud busting. I love this ski though....it seems to do everything relatively well except straightlining. I spent the day yesterday on the beginner WROD at Copper yesterday with my 3YO and took my P100's instead of my B3's or RX8's just because they are so fun. I keep meaning to take out my other skis but the p100's almost always seem to end up on my feet
post #28 of 73
Watea94 is a tough all-around ski to beat. Having said that, I am counting on my Argos' this season to fill that need. I am airing to the wider side for more float and soft snow prowess over groomer performance. I am waiting to demo a Cronus and possibly add that one during the season.
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Beg Mtnlion for a pair of the good old Völkl Explosives if you can't get a hold of some Bros hands down.

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Mantra
another Mantra vote here
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