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post #31 of 48
Oh & I FEED my instructors.

Cake, cookies,raisin toast, meat - whatever they seem to enjoy. Helps their hip pockets & keeps them healthy enough to keep teaching me.

Besides the main Falls culprit does really seem to enjoy being pampered.
& My longest serving Thredbo instructor just LOVES meat - so I cook lots & he eats the leftovers for lunch.(His girlfriend enjoys less meat than he likes to eat) That also makes lunch that needs to be eaten in less than 1/2 hour a little faster for them - no cafeteria queues
post #32 of 48
Don't worry about it. I have been skiing for about 17 years and am pretty good (not as good as these instructors obviously but not bad) and I have no idea what they are talking about so don't worry about it. All you have to do is watch and listen to your instructor and have the balls to do what he/she tells you. If they are any good (and most of them are) they should work out, with a bit of communication from you, the way your mind, and therefore, your body works. So sit back read the forums but don't worry about it.
The most important thing is to enjoy when you get the opportunities to go - at least everyone agrees on that - surely!
post #33 of 48
Oh yeah sorry, Ryan you are one funny man, that Greek joke was really good!
post #34 of 48
Great opening posts Loke.

Welcome to Epicski.


I just started teaching last season and one of the things one of my Mentors told me was KISS. or "Keep It Simple, Stupid"
In other words, the words and discussions don't get us skiing. getting out there and doing it does. Don't worry. If you keep reading and trying things it'll eventually make sense. One of those days you are out there the light bulb will go on.
post #35 of 48
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Shut up and ski.
Everone is different in what they precieve. I had an examiner once, at a workshop, who was into lifting the toes to get forward. For me it had the opposite effect. I think of the ski as part of my foot, so to lift the toe causes me to take weight off the tip.
post #36 of 48
In mild terrain I have no problem making linked turns by:

a) pressing down on the appropriate toe to initiate the turn,

b) letting my weight shift to that ski, and;

c) letting my other ski sort of fall into place.

Yet, when I work out with my skiers edge I use a very different motion. Now, I realize that one is a machine and one is real life, but I figure that I have reason to suspect that I'm doing something wrong.
You are correct, the two motions are different. You have described defensive skiing whereas the skiers edge mimics offensive skiing moves. Defensive, meaning an initial move to start the turn that is towards the saftey of the new outside ski (ski on the outside of the turn). On your skiers edge you extend towards the new turn direction or, into the direction of the new turn.

With you're description of your turn above, I have a picture of someone doing a defensive wedge christie on fairly easy terrain. The intitial move is press down on the new outside ski toes and move your weight over to that ski and then match the new inside ski by moving it over there. These moves are all natural. Mind you, I am only guessing from your description.

What to expect from a PMTS instructor (I am not sure there are any in your area). First off there are some good things that they would see. You are able to balance, slide, stop effectively and transfer weight. Step one, trash the evil wedge and tell you to never return to it.(trying to get you to stop twisting your feet.) Next would be do some easy traverses to get you to effectively balance on the uphill ski. Second would be to get you to balance on the uphill ski with your downhill ski pulled back to nearly match your uphill ski. (This would force you to pressure the uphill boot tongue with your shin). Next on very easy terrain would be to guide you to tip the downhill,in the air foot, very slightly in the direction of the turn. This tipping will very gently get you to start riding the inside edge of the uphill ski and carve a very shallow arc. I would continue until you were comfortable in both directions.

The thing I would be looking for is to make sure you have your uphill shin in contact with the boot tongue and that you intitiate your turns by tipping the foot that is in the air. Some skidding of the ski your standing on is ok.

As an ATS instructor I would try to get you to understand that you always need to flow with the turn. Some important things that you should know. Aussuming you're not blind, your eyes are very important to your skiing. When riding a bike you will notice that where you focus on the road is almost invaribly the exact spot the front wheel traces. So it is with skiing. I want you to get use to the idea that you should trace with your eyes the track of the turn that you want to ski. You're skis are much more likely to follow where you want them to go. You should be moving your eyes constantly through the turns. Let your upper body follow your eyes. Now instead of pushing down with the toe and transfering weight, think into the turn and move the foot that will be on the insided of the turn by tipping it slightly in the direction of the turn. This flattens the new insided ski and allows release into the turn. Now I would encourage you to guide both feet naturally towards the turn and let the disign of the skis do the work. I would not care if you were still partially in a wedge. If you were relaxed, muscle tension gone, the turn would be near effortless. Its that simple if I can make you believe it.

Both methods take full advantage of new ski design. The approaches are different. Hope this helps.
post #37 of 48

Be very careful how much you try to understand here.

Last season, I "improved" my skiing by closely following all that was discussed in this forum. I could identify with virtually every problem I read about. Every time somebody posted a question about what they were doing wrong, I thought "that sounds familiar. Maybe that's what I'm doing."

At the start of last season I was a decent parallel skier.

At midseason, I was a puddle of confusion. Was I rolling my foot or tipping my leg? Was I pressuring or rolling my foot? Was I angulating at the ankle? knee? hip? My weight was too far forward and too far back, all at the same time. I was standing too tall and too crouched at once. I was steering too much and not enough. Should my shoulders point down hill or parallel to my ski tips? Did I have too much tip lead or not enough? Was I braking too much? If I skied a slower line, would somebody run over me? Should I lighten and tip, or does this move my center of mass uphill? Is it morally wrong to unweight? How was my turn shape? Wherever they were, my hands were in the wrong place. Were my pole plants too far forward, back, in, out? Too early, too late? Were my boots too tight? Too loose? Were my skis too long?

By the end of the season, I could no longer parallel ski. I tried to snowplow, but I had taken the internet lesson from HH, so now I couldn't do that either.

So now when I get to the top of the lift, I just take off my skis and walk down.

Save yourself while you still can. Unplug your computer.
post #38 of 48
Yep Pierre, very nicely said.
post #39 of 48
Gotta give it to you mxp, that was a funny post!


You have to buys some books and do some reading and you will certainly understand most of these discussions. At some point you will identify many of the issues discussed in your skiing and then you will be in a position to improve.
post #40 of 48
mpx, that was an enjoyable read, thanks [img]smile.gif[/img]

post #41 of 48
Originally posted by M@tteo:
how can you conclude that the Austrian method is superior?
Good skiing requires a quiet upper body does it not? Italien, quiet upper body [img]smile.gif[/img]

I just can't wait to see the day SCSA takes over the PSIA.

post #42 of 48

That was great.

People are walking by my office looking at me funny, im all alone and laughing at my computer screen....
post #43 of 48
mxp that was funny now but all to much the truth for half way through my first year as a ski instructor.
post #44 of 48
MXP, that was so funny, I pulled a "George Bush" and choked on a Wheat Thin! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #45 of 48
Nakona –

If you do not understand I would encourage you to ask questions. On occasion everyone likes to show their in depth knowledge, they have spent enough time and money learning their profession, without realizing others are left behind.

PMTS was fashioned by Harald as a “new” teaching system. It has pluses and minuses like most systems including PSIA. Most knowledgeable instructors, particular higher-level instructors, will use some of all systems. Without getting into a drawn out argument over which is best I would suggest a Level III PSIA instructor that is knowledgeable enough to use a vast amount of teaching tools to customize a lesson for each student. I specify PSIA only because as far as I know PMTS is still solid in only using the PMTS system to teach students. PMTS is a system meant to be taught as a system.

I see the PSIA “centerline” referred to on this site. Centerline was initially established as the benchmark for skiing within the American Teaching System. It is a simple way to "see" this is what a wedge performed to perfection would look like and this is where a student is. It is the goal of the instructor to move the student towards the “benchmark” or centerline. Not cookie cutter lesson or student but only a benchmark or “centerline”. Centerline is now gone from the radar screen a long with wedge chrities, possibly some instructors have not purchased their new manuals, and PSIA has developed what is hoped to be a better way to coach all students either starting with a wedge or using a direct to parallel methods. Many knowledgeable instructors were already teaching/coaching their students in this manner. Now the PSIA instructor’s manual resembles more of the real world than the theoretical world. PMTS probably helped push this into the forefront and that was very good.

I also noted you mention pressure skiing to load and edge for turning. If this is truly your skiing technique I do suggest you find a good instructor, and I am not assuming that you are not already a good skier, and learn a more efficient method of skiing that will help your skiing to be much easier and graceful. This not to say there aren’t many skiers still using pressuring of the big toe (outside ski) to make a turn. It works and has for many years but as you learn to ski from the inside ski out and reduce counter by moving your outside ski along with the inside ski you will find, I believe, a more graceful and efficient turn with the added factor of better control in all terrain. Yes I would agree chutes are a different story entirely.

I hope this post helps your understanding to some degree.
post #46 of 48

[ July 26, 2002, 02:05 AM: Message edited by: M@tteo ]
post #47 of 48
MXP - Time to bust out the snowboard!
post #48 of 48
sent you a PM
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