Maddog2020, if it weren't for posts like your last one I would not know how to take your last reply to my semi-annual thread where I take a poke at the guests. Its obvious that you have a dry sense of humor. I appreciate it but sooner or latter somebody's gonna read it all wrong, especially the strong defenders. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
|That's nice and all, but I still don't know what the harb system IS or how it's different from whatever it is that I've been doing.
There are basically two systems for teaching skiing that we often debate here. There are many different teaching systems throughout the world but we are concerned here with only two.
PSIA, Professional Ski Instructors of America has a system called The American Teaching System ATS. ATS is a large cumbersome system that is all inclusive and based on primary skills. It takes an average full time instructor with good mentors about 6-7 years to really grasp the ATS system and use it to its fullest advantage. An instructor who fully understands the ATS system is very versatile and equipped to tailor make any lesson to fit any situation they might encounter. Your chances as a student of getting a very good lesson with a fully qualified ATS instructor are nearly guaranteed.
Whats the problem. Most instructors teach for an average of three years. Clearly not enough time to learn the ATS system. My guess is that about 10% of all instructors in the USA, fully understand the ATS system and teach to its full advantage. Most of those instructors teach other instructors, or very advanced lessons. Beginners invarably get a new istructor.
ATS will work in any conditions with even junk equipment and get people enjoying the slopes. ATS can be tailored to any skier ability and modified and adapted by any ski school. ATS is dynamite in the hands of a skilled instructor.
The PMTS, Primary Movements Teaching System, designed by Harald Harb is a much more closely structured system. PMTS concentrates exercises around a core of just a few primary movements. The type of exercises are therefore much more closely selected to always concentrate on the primary movements. For this reason, the PMTS system is infinitely easier for an instructor to learn and grasp. A new instructor can become an effective instructor in a much shorter time. PMTS fits nicely into the ATS system because the ATS system is all inclusive but the reverse in not true. ATS will not fit within PMTS.
In the PMTS system the student is given little leeway in the learning stages until parallel turning is reasonably mastered. A student can be incorporated into the system no matter how they learned. The student from other systems are evaluated for their use of the primary movements and placed in the exercises where they will most effectively be served.
PMTS strives to give students and advantage by putting them on the latest shaped ski equipment, best fitting boots and in most cases, good alignment. Students are then started on very gentle terrain with specific exercises designed to skip the wedge progression and go directly to parallel.
If you are the type of person who lives near and uncrowded resort, likes things very structured, books complete vacations instead of ala cart and eats pre prepared meals you're an ideal candidate for PMTS.
If you drive a VW microbus, you probably would like ATS much better.
PMTS currently enjoys the benefits of being new and its instructors are virtually all trained in ATS as well. Its not well suited to metro day resorts with half the rental fleet in very poor condition, big crowds or areas without gentle terrain.
Instructors who fully understand the ATS system know its full potential and can enjoy the wider latitude that PMTS does not offer. At the same time its hard for those same instructors to ingnore the potential that PMTS offers for new instructors who teach the most students. Given the statistics of how many instructors master ATS its hard not to take a look at PMTS for its success and structure.
If you ask instructors who have mastered ATS and PMTS you will find that they will give up neither system and feel they are better off with both. They really like the versatility in teaching and their own skiing that ATS gave them and the simplicity of PMTS.
I hope that gives you enough info to follow the threads. You can see why Ott says that ATS will swallow PMTS. The big dog instructors will do both but eventually demand one set of dues. ATS is versatile and big enough to eventually eat PMTS. Harb isn't young.