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Manos- the hands of fate

post #1 of 13
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I see alot of really good bump skiers move their hands around alot. Is this beneficial? I try to keep my hands more or less still. I'm not that great in the bumps, though....
post #2 of 13
You are correct in your instinct - accomplished mogul skiers certainly will move their hands adruptly when they have to correct an imbalance, but in general they are very disciplined with their hands and entire upper body. However they are usually doing pole touches on the top of every mogul, meaning that if they are turning very quickly - there will certainly be very quick hand motions.
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Actually, I meant a particular kind of movement, like this:
This seems to be done on just about every bump.<FONT size="1">

[This message has been edited by AC (edited March 27, 2001).]</FONT>
post #4 of 13
MilesB- I would say a lot of hand motion YES!!! A lot of arm motion NO!!! Bumps require quick turns and active poles assit you in the ability to keep turning quickly so keep the pole swing and touch going, but make sure it comes from the wrist/elbow not the whole arm. The photos you put up all look like the skier left the arm back. This can have the effect of pulling the shoulders and torso back causing a skier to get out of balance and releasing the tails. This can end in very abrupt tail pushed hockey stop type turns instead of smooth dynamic turns. The elbow should never get behind the torso. The hands need to keep driving ahead to the next turn. Some people try to keep the hands to still causing tension up into the shoulders and the whole torso. This tension hurts the ability to turn the legs under the stable upperbody. Keep the torso strong not static. Need to let it flow down the hill. Tod <FONT size="1">

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post #5 of 13
Yes - the top two skiers are really wasting a lot of energy, and their arms have moved way up, back and to the inside. Its hard to tell from a static shot but they both look like athletic aggressive skiers and therefore can compensate for this quite well. But you can see how their entire shoulder on that arm has been pulled back and is leading even their torso and head back and inside a bit.

The skier on the bottom looks less aggressive, and does have some odd things going on but in that shot at least the hands look more disciplined.
post #6 of 13
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I (HH) can't (HH) tell (HH) you (HH) where (HH) these (HH) pics (HH) came (HH) from (HH).

post #7 of 13

Bottom skier is a heel pusher. He probably does the same thing in the flats. IMHO, all three skiers have too much upper body rotation caused by leaving their poll planted too long and pulling the upper body around. What do you think. --------Wigs
post #8 of 13
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The skier in red is Diana Rogers, Yellow is Harald Harb, White is Chris Anthony. I guess AC deleted the picture because of copyright. This isn't a goof. Those were the closest pics I had around that show what I meant. <FONT size="1">

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post #9 of 13
Dana Rogers and Harald Harb? My god . . . Todo, Wigs -- are we all going to be struck by lightning now?!
post #10 of 13
Miles, those pictures were in Harb's book? Why in heavens name would he publish them unless is was to show what not to do?

post #11 of 13
I took a quick look at Harb's 1st book last weekend. One of the things I was noticing is in the photo sequence of him (I believe in "bumps" but they're quite small) his poles appear to be quite long. It seemed as if the length made his arm move back more than "usual". I don't have the book here so I can't look now.
I don't recall seeing those twisting bodies though. Were they in the 1st book?
post #12 of 13
Thread Starter 
They are in his latest book. There is a similar picture illustrating a stabilizing pole plant.
By the way, about the picture. I didn't really see any problem with posting it, as this is a non commercial use, and it will not be seen by very many people. But I don't have any problem with AC pulling them either. I went back and modified them enough that maybe AC will let me put them back up.
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
Todo, thanks. I suspected that I had too much tension by trying to keep the hands so still. Yesterday, when I skied the bumps, I let them "wander" a bit more, and it really helped.
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