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post #31 of 90
This is such a great waste of time! Thanks SJ!!

K2 Pontoon (130)
Rossi S7 (115)
Dynastar Pro Rider (100)
Fischer Watea 94 (94)
Blizzard Magnum 8.7 (87)
post #32 of 90
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This is such a great waste of time! Thanks SJ!!

K2 Pontoon (130)
Rossi S7 (115)
Dynastar Pro Rider (100)
Fischer Watea 94 (94)
Blizzard Magnum 8.7 (87)
Obviously you have some time to waste and I have provided something for you to waste it on. You are indeed welcome.

BTW; this is not required play time.

BBTW; you nailed one primary and one backup.


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post #33 of 90
I think the narrow will be
Nordica Nitrous 178
Thats all I can think of right now
post #34 of 90
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I think the narrow will be
Nordica Nitrous 178
Thats all I can think of right now
Very close to my backup narrow, but not my primary.

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post #35 of 90
im pretty sure you're getting a pontoon and a watea 94
post #36 of 90
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im pretty sure you're getting a pontoon and a watea 94
One is a no, one is a backup to the primary choice within category.

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post #37 of 90
ok s7 as your nontraditional wide ski and watea 94 as your backup mid.
post #38 of 90
K2 Obsethed / Dyna HT

Watea 94 / Helldiver

Blizzard 8.7
post #39 of 90
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ok s7 as your nontraditional wide ski and watea 94 as your backup mid.
2 for 2..............

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post #40 of 90
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K2 Obsethed / Dyna HT

Watea 94 / Helldiver

Blizzard 8.7
1 1/2 out of 5..............

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post #41 of 90
Hmmnnn.....

Dyna XXL / Rossi S7

Watea 94 / Nordica Hellcat

Blizzard 8.7
post #42 of 90
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K2 Pontoon (130)
Saw a pair of these at local shop last night that someone brought in to be set-up. Stores just don't carry this kind of stuff up here. Couldn't believe what I was seeing, they're like water skis !

RMP

Good luck with your quiver Jim. With your knowledge and experience, it'll be interesting to see your final decision.
post #43 of 90
Which snowblades are you getting?
post #44 of 90
I think your skinny ski should be a Firefox
post #45 of 90
I definitely meant waste of time as a GOOD thing.

Dyna Huge Trouble
Rossi S7
Blizzard Titan Argos
Watea 94
Nordica Hotrod Jetfuel
post #46 of 90
Sounds like the 8.7 is one, the 94 a back up. Could you please post what here IS decided then people can work around them?

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post #47 of 90
We know the S7 is the non-traditional Fatty.
The Watea 94 is the mid-range back up.

I think that's all we know so far...
post #48 of 90
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Sounds like the 8.7 is one, the 94 a back up. Could you please post what here IS decided then people can work around them?
I was planning that for this AM anyway but I was having fun watching the guesswork. Besides, JHS got almost all of them.

Here's the lineup:

Wide: Rossi S7, Huge Trouble
Middle: Blizzi Argos
Narrow: Watea 84

There are so many good skis within each of these categories that I decided to completely break the stasis that my personal quiver has been in. The 1 pr per maker is just an arbitrary rule I set for myself and after the first month or so I may break it.

Here's why...............

Wide: I like both the ones that I have (Sugar and the Goat) but decided to play a little. I have skied the HT enough times to know that I really like it. I have skied the S7 but not in proper conditions so it's really an unknown. There were many suggestions for the Pontoon but I have skiied it enough to know that it's not my personal cuppa. I want to spend enough time on an alternative shape to discover whether I like them or not and the S7 should be a good experiment. If it turns out that I just don't care for it, it'll be easy to dump off and I know the HT is really all that I need anyway.

Middle: Blizzard is a line that I have never spent much time on b/c I have never sold them. Now I am selling them and need some long term exposure to the lineup. I'm planning this as my everyday ski when there's been snow within the last week. This is a very interesting ski to me because it fits a niche rather like the Volkl Mantra but with some important differences. As most know, I don't like the Mantra as much as some do (even though I own one). The Argos addresses the two things that I don't like about the Mantra by having a straighter shape and being a little softer, especially torsionally.

There are buckets of great skis in this group. My rules of engagement kept me from getting the MR again. The K2 Outlaw was a contender, but I've skied K2's a lot. The Blizzi Cronus was also tempting but I think the Argos is a ski that we can sell a lot of so I want some in depth feeling about it. If it turns out that the Argos is not a fit for whatever reason, I will fall back and pick up a Watea 94 which I think is a wonderful ski.


Narrow: Again there tons of skis here that I like. For my needs I don't need a hard snow biased ski in this spot so that leaves out the Blizzi 8.7 and 8.1, and a fair few of the Nordies. The L8K is still a strong contender here but I've skied it so much that I left it out for that reason (also the Dynastar slot was alredy taken) K2's are the same deal as above. The Watea 84 is a ski that I also know very well and and it is a great general purpose tool. When the snow is over a week old, this will be my choice. While the 84 is not a stellar ski on hard snow, it is good enough for me considering the typical western conditions. I have a fallback plan for this spot too. There is a ski coming from Nordica after the first of the year. It is not radically different than what they already have but it's a ski I know well in it's current guise and I am very fond of Nordicas (especially the non metal ones)

So there ya have it...............now feel free to ridicule, scoff and rebuild.........

SJ

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post #49 of 90
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I agree with Whiteroom, your "narrow" ski should be more around a 70mm. Nordica Spitfire is worth a look, Rossi CS70 if you want something very turny, or if you really feel the need for a wide "narrow" ski, the CX80 looks promising. Or just get a real GS ski and be done with it - if you want a narrow ski for occasional carving fun, hard to beat that. Rossi WCs would probably be my choice from your list if you're looking for something on the softer end of the spectrum.

The two of you need to spend a week in Tahoe and you'll understand. Anything under 75 just isn't practical anymore. The CX80 will be my narrow ski this winter.
post #50 of 90
This is no fun at all if you don't let me change the rules.
I'd rather see you buy all boutique skis........wouldn't that be fun!!!

post #51 of 90
Truckee Newbee,
What about the Fischer 207. Not sure if you can get one.
121 under foot
about a 30 m radius
and what is the length you ask, well it is a 207, hence the name.

Don't need quick feet for that platform

Greg
post #52 of 90
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The two of you need to spend a week in Tahoe and you'll understand. Anything under 75 just isn't practical anymore. The CX80 will be my narrow ski this winter.
I actually have a couple of pairs in the sub-75mm range, but only one of them got any use last year, and that was before I got my AMC79s. I'll still probably use them as rock skis in the early season, but they'll be back home by New Year's.
post #53 of 90
SJ (or anybody I suppose) have you skis the Blower or Enforcer? I'm not too familiar with Nordica, and I don't see too much discussion of those skis.
post #54 of 90
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SJ (or anybody I suppose) have you skis the Blower or Enforcer? I'm not too familiar with Nordica, and I don't see too much discussion of those skis.
I have not skied the Blower. I've had several chances but never in the right conditions.

I have skied the Enforcer and while it's a very good ski, it doesn't fit what I'm looking for within it's width category. (similar to the Mantra in that respect) Nordica is making some of the best skis available but not every ski is going to fit everybodys tastes.

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post #55 of 90
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Truckee Newbee,
Ummmmm.......not Zactly a newbie to the area. I've lived here for over 20 of the last 30 years. I have been gone for the last four however.



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What about the Fischer 207. Not sure if you can get one
Gee....I can't get one of those???..........drat!!!

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post #56 of 90
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I think your skinny ski should be a Firefox
True enough it's an awsome stick. (I'd just get a sore throat from making dive bomber noises though)

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post #57 of 90
both of your wide skis are going to be 115 waist. if it were me buying a new quiver, i'd get one massive funshape (>120 waist) for epic days, and one traditional sidecut (105-115 waist) for regular pow days. as you said, you can always fall back on the huge trouble.

in other words, im saying you should stick with the huge trouble, ditch the s7, and either 1) break your own rule and get a superfat indie ski like a lotus, lhasa pow, or moment comikazi, or 2) stick with your brand rule and get a nordica jah love or somesuch (since pontoon isn't your fav).
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Ummmmm.......not Zactly a newbie to the area. I've lived here for over 20 of the last 30 years. I have been gone for the last four however.
I get it, hence the winking dude.





Gee....I can't get one of those???..........drat!!!

SJ
post #59 of 90
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Originally Posted by bamBooster View Post
both of your wide skis are going to be 115 waist. if it were me buying a new quiver, i'd get one massive funshape (>120 waist) for epic days, and one traditional sidecut (105-115 waist) for regular pow days. as you said, you can always fall back on the huge trouble.

in other words, im saying you should stick with the huge trouble, ditch the s7, and either 1) break your own rule and get a superfat indie ski like a lotus, lhasa pow, or moment comikazi, or 2) stick with your brand rule and get a nordica jah love or somesuch (since pontoon isn't your fav).
Very good point but the skis were chosen for the similar waist widths intentionally. This quiver readjustment is as much about experimentation and self education as anything. Within certain niches, the alternative shapes are proliferating. While I have skiied a fair number of them, it has mostly been brief exposures and sometimes in the wrong conditions. To get a more in depth knowledge of the category, I need to have one available on a "whenever" basis. Comparing two with similar widths over the long haul will give me the best opportunity possible to evaluate the concept rather than the width.



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post #60 of 90
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Comparing two with similar widths over the long haul will give me the best opportunity possible to evaluate the concept rather than the width.



SJ
I'm pretty convinced that the newer shapes change the waist generalization game. I have my own theories about why. But the big take away for me is that many rockered skis ski "skinnier" than you'd expect. That's not saying that they are slalom carvers - just that some time on them starts poking holes in the generalizations & preconceived notions.

You should consider a Hell Bent or an EP Pro in the mix. Neither has any camber. Both are sidecut. Both play surprisingly well on groomers under many conditions (I've only skied the HB, but have heard similar comments about the EP).

If you play with this sort of ski, center mount it and do not drive it through the tips too much...

I consider this a very different niche than the Pontoon/Kuro/Praxis/ARG/138 one - which is also worthy of taking up a spot
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