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Who knows what about indoor carpet skiing/training?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I have been intrigued by training on a carpet for several years. It seemed to have a big media hit about eight years ago or so, and then - nothing. Is there any info out there?
post #2 of 12
Welcome to EpicSki, Ziggyskier. Copper Mountain, eh? (Don't tell me!)

How's your summer?

Oh--and I don't know anything about skiing on carpet, but I suspect that rug burns are more painful than yard sales....

Why would you want to ski on carpet, with Copper Mountain looming outside your window?

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
Hi Bob,

Hope your summer is going well ... on the river.

As far as the carpet, I hear that it could be a wonderful off piste - no off mountain - training tool. Let's see what some of our colleagues say.

Hugs and misses to you and yours,

ttfn (ta ta for now) - z
post #4 of 12
WHAT river, Ziggy? I can get more water out of my kitchen faucet than we've got flowing down any Colorado waterway this summer! Perhaps there's a market for carpet-canoeing!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #5 of 12
Hey Ziggy,

Welcome to Epicski!!!

Hope your summer is progressing well.

One of these days I'll swing by Copper and give you an update on what's doin there. You can read the thread on Club Med to follow up on that happening.

Adios
post #6 of 12
Carpet Skiing .... mmmm

Shag pile, hip side down, stoned as, watching Blizzard or Arrrrhhhs ?

Wax pile, upright, tuning skis ?

Airport pile, travelling, moving walkway

Foyer pile, groupies

Suede

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]

[ June 24, 2002, 05:09 AM: Message edited by: man from oz ]
post #7 of 12
Carpet Skiing is how I got my start so I would be glad to give you what insight I have, although it has been about 12 years since I have taught on one.

I would like to see every beginer be able to start on a deck. It is warm, no snowgunns to yell over. Most have a mirror or video screen in front so they can see every move the make or follow a skier down a mountain. No lift lines, No falling, No skier traffic to scare you, just lots of milage. You can also use a bar for balance and hand position in front of the person.

On a ski deck you basicly stay in one place as the deck rolls under you. So if you over edge you get taken up the deck, less edge you slide off the front. You need to have a very smooth edge engagement. It was fun to take some very good skiers that would laugh at the deck and put them on it to be humbled! You can change the speed and with the new ones you can change the slope and even ski bumps.

For new skiers you need to take the time to have them ski some turns with the deck off so they get the sensation of moving over the surface to help them transition to the real thing.

As for training it is great you work the same muscles and can get a alot of milage in an hour. No need to slow down at trail mergers or stop just endless skiing! Your boots will brake down quick in the warm tempature and hard skiing.

I think they are a great tool that should be better utilized by the industry. Throw in some rollerblading, weight training, biking and what ever else you enjoy and your skiing will improve greatly.

If you have any specific questions, I would be glad to try an answer them.
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
Todo - thanx for the serious reply.

Barnsey - take heart, with a big enough bathtub, on a slant, a fan for white water, a stone or two from the rock garden and you're in business!

Ski & Golf - good luck on the PGA attempts - I here the LPGA is a little easier!

Oz - huh?

ttfn - z
post #9 of 12
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Originally posted by ziggyskier:
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Ski & Golf - good luck on the PGA attempts - I here the LPGA is a little easier!

I don't think my health care provider would cover the operation.
post #10 of 12
Here's some info for your I found last year.

http://www.virtualsnowrider.com/home.html
http://www.skidoctors.com/directory1.htm

Both of these companies use ski decks. I went the to Virtual Snow of Tahoe one starting in September of last year. I wanted to be able to get to Blacks by the end of the year as I was a very new skier back then. You learn a lot on the deck because it takes out varing snow conditions. It allows you to work and become proficent at the necessary coordination needed for good parallel skiing. It emulates how groomed icy conditions are. You can bring your own boots too. If you don't have boot's I know that Tim has some.

By the time the end of December came around I was able to start skiing easy blacks. When we had icy slopes here in California in January, I felt very much at home since I had put in about 10 hours on the simulator.

Would I do it again. YES!!!! I'm taking my kids that are at home with me Starting in August to get ready for next year.

Tim teaches Snowboarding too. My youngest tried a lesson and spent a cold 2 hours in the snow. With the one hour of ski deck instruction he could do most of the basics without a problem.

Tim also teaches priviates & semi-priviates at Alpine Meadows. As a follow up.

Go for it.
post #11 of 12

I started skiing indoors on carpet this year.

New one opened up about 3 minutes from home so thought Id try it.

 

Been going weekly since Octoboer and it definately keeps the ski legs in shape which is good because I dont do other exercise between skiing and do a lot of rest stops.

I can spend a full hour on the machine now (stop mid way for a drink) and could only take 10 mins when I first started just at the end of last ski season.

 

But so far Ive not been able to overcome my sense of balance control that is hard wired from age 5 and now 50yo with respect to skiing without any angular momentum due to not moving downhill.

There is some lateral rebound present that feels normal but the lack of angular momentum is messing with my sense of wired balance.

 

Ive only changed from old school skiing the outside ski everywhere to edged turns last season which is not hard on snow.I do note that on snow if I have no forward speed and stand on the inside ski I fall backbut with any forward speed its fine.

Same sensation I get on the carpet indoors and the tendency is to stem my way around it and my sense of balance refuses to weight the inside ski into the turns, fine mid turn and on once the lateral rebound of the turns kicks in..but there is no rebound laterally or forward angular momentum to lean into on the carpet

 

The other thing I should mention is that I have resisted their instructionals, I refuse to ski like them or the others there becuase they are chronic tail sliders.

The surface is like skiing an icy groomer and they swing the tails away on the carpet and it makes and awfull scraping noise and they dont seem to mind, to add to that it sprays up white dist coating the boots.

The instructors have little snow time.

I explained to them that the sense of scraping under feet is a means of feedback to tell you if you are loosing or about the loose and edge and they were simply not aware of that, to just do it all the time ignores that and its not skiing the edges.

 

So I get them to run it at a low slope and not too fast and that way I can shape arc turns without side slip and nasty scraping noises.

Doing so feels like real skiing and the edges turn fine on it, its just doing it that way you need to be real clean or it easy to catch edges.

 

When they turn the speed up and slope higher angle and tail slide around on it they dont catch an edges and seem to assume that is a better way but they have a snowballs chance of skiing firm bumps sliding like that.

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And this is one of the reasons I am not getting parallel initiating turns because I feel that I am trying to steer both skis edged not sliding at all and it doesnt seem to be possible.

 

Im at a fork in the road,

I wont ski tail sliding but if I dont then I may never be able to get parallel without angular momentum when initiating turns on it due ot now forward movment.

At which rate I may be stuck doing it the way I am now.

Ive tried sort of faux steer the inside ski with weight of it to ge tit alongside the other by mid turn but I know its not steering on the edge into the turns like the outside one so that seems of little use to do, or is it.

 

Ive been running as GoPro cam each week I have set up behind me that helps see where things are getting untidy.

I generally try to ski until the legs tire and the technique starts to fail, then do some slower turns to relax a bit and that working up my strength which is the main objective.

 

But the above issue still counfounds me.

 

Tried shorter skis, had to run the matt a little faster to get them to turn at all but not so fast I was sliding them.

Didnt help with that issue much.

 

Any ideas.

 

 

 

 

post #12 of 12

So I've never actually skied on a rolling carpet, but did used to ski on a dry slope back in the UK, which I think is a similar surface. The problem with trying to develop edging skills on matting is that the matting doesn't respond to your edges in the same way as snow does, this is probably why all the instructors are chronic tail sliders, because that is the only way they can effectively get enough grip at the end of the turn to have something to push off and start the new turn. You see a similar thing in the UK with dry slope instructors, lots of A framing and sequential initiations. 

 

If you can make a 'railroad' style carved turn at low speed/angles on the carpet, try practising that until you can crank the angle/speed up a notch. Try to keep your efforts focused on how to ski snow, rather than how to ski the carpet. This said, it's entirely possible you have other stuff going on in your skiing that is holding you back too, why not post the videos you've taken?

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