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Need help for a true all-mountain ski please!

post #1 of 17
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Hey all. New here and have so far found this forum to be pretty great. I've done some of my own research just looking at threads, but I'm starting to realize that I'm pretty clueless. Can anyone recommend some new skis for me to check out?

I'm an aggressive, advanced level skier, who is 25 yrs old, 6 ft. tall and 165 lbs. I'm looking for as close as possible to an all-mountain, all conditions ski. By that I mean, something that can really handle (not necessarily dominate) everything on the east coast and west coast and is fun wherever. I realize that this is asking alot, but I don't reside in either area, but take trips to both (Whistler and Killington so far on the calendar for this year). I've been riding on the same skis for close to 10 years now -- K2 Fours, which are the year/model that was released right before parabolics really took off. They've been great skis, but I'm finally looking to upgrade to something will be more fun. Obviously, since I've been skiing on these suckers for so long, I'm not in a position to have multiple skis in my quiver, but I'm looking to make the right choice, which doesn't imply a value based decision. I've kept up with new skis and trends, but don't really had much context since I've been skiing on basically straights.

Any thoughts on which skis to look into and hopefully demo? I appreciate it! The world is your oyster here.
post #2 of 17
Head Monster iM88

Look hear and everywhere, most reviews say it can do it all.
post #3 of 17
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Originally Posted by Richie-Rich View Post
Head Monster iM88

Look hear and everywhere, most reviews say it can do it all.

Isn't that a bit FAT to excell on the Eastern Hardpan?
post #4 of 17
Find K2 PE's (Public Enemies) from last year to use as your one-ski quiver (has been replaced by the K2 Kung Fujas/Extreme this year - not sure which is the "true" successor). It's a great mid-fat all-mountain twin-tip, able to handle both EC and WC conditions, and at 85mm is wide enough for powder conditions that you're likely to meet in-bounds. Even though it's a twin-tip, you don't necessarily have to use it for park/pipe - I've never ventured into the park at all with my pair.

I ski my 06/07 pair of PE's on Whistler, and they're great for the kind of snow you can find there. I find them quite fun everywhere on the mountain, and they're pretty forgiving, so if you goof up you're not going to suffer for it.

Plus you can get them for really cheap now! I've heard people scoring a pair (without bindings) for $200 or so.
post #5 of 17
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Isn't that a bit FAT to excell on the Eastern Hardpan?
Thats what you would think, but every review that I have read has said the contrary, their construction allow them to work well everywhere, even on hardpack. They are fat but built like race skis, so while you wouldnt want to use them in the terrain park or to go jumping off things, they are good everywhere else.
post #6 of 17
I own and love iM88's, but at your weight, not my first choice for a true do-everything ski for both coasts. IMO specialized toward heavy pow, crud, mixes of difficult snow and ice; all at speed. I'd suggest something more like a Blizzard Magnum 8.1, if you are inclined more toward east and groomers, or a Blizzard Cronus, if you are inclined more toward west and a mix of backside and frontside.

Other well-regarded do it all's: K2 Extremes/PE's, Head iM78's, Elan 78 or 82 Ti's, Nordica Afterburners, Volkl Bridges, Rossignol CX 80's. Think about your preference for flex, the kinds of turns you like to do, your speeds, whether you value carving hardpack over bumps, soft snow, or trees. Even these all-mountain skis have biases...
post #7 of 17
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Other well-regarded do it all's: K2 Extremes/PE's, Head iM78's, Elan 78 or 82 Ti's, Nordica Afterburners, Volkl Bridges, Scott Missions, Rossignol CX 80's. Think about your preference for flex, the kinds of turns you like to do, whether you value carving hardpack over bumps, soft snow, or trees.
Speaking of which...

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=75109

Serendipity? This is a great deal, and go find some bindings on the Gear Swap!

EDIT: They're about the right height for you, too.
EDIT2: I'd pair them with http://www.backcountry.com/store/HEA...i-Binding.html or http://www.backcountry.com/store/DYN...i-Binding.html I have the Mojo 11's on my ski, and it's a great combo.
post #8 of 17
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Think about your preference for flex, the kinds of turns you like to do, your speeds, whether you value carving hardpack over bumps, soft snow, or trees. Even these all-mountain skis have biases...
Very well put. And when you find that perfect match…


Improve your odds. Entering the world of shape skis for all mountain you may find 15 to no more than 18 radius along with a lesson or two learning to use and trust a shape a good play. So as you look to step off straights onto shapes that do anything anywhere either side of the Mississippi stay in the 70’s range to perhaps 82 waist max. Look for something to set on edge that works for you providing a turn shape with some bend to it rather than a push and point style as the waist grows. 08/09 all mountain skis are now even better at balancing pressure from shovel all the way to tail including a fine blend of a softer longitudinal flex for off piste along with rigid torsional lock on pack. Some 08/09 all mountain skis that fit the bill; Fischer Watea 78, Atomic Nomad Blackeye, Head Monster im78, K2 Apache Xplorer, Nordica Hot Rod Afterburner. If not available at the shop for demo/sale or if you’re looking for lower entry cost, discuss last year models or near cousins that were replaced [if applicable] or hit the keyboard and uncover some deals. Good luck.
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all of the responses. What length skis should I be looking at? My current skis are 177cm.

Roastpuff - You mentioned those 179s being about right. Too short/long?
post #10 of 17
Don Denver's suggestions for skis is exactly what I'd look for if I was in your shoes. Monsters, Atomic, and the Nordica will handle icey conditions much better then the Watea and K2 if that makes much of a difference to you. Many people are quite happy with the Monsters. I just picked up a 09 set of Monster 78's. You may want to look at the 82's give you a little more float for your money and still carve solid on the groomers. Your weight and height I think I'd look at the 177 area and no more then 182ish and no less then 170 for sure.

Good luck on your hunt. Lots of good deals to be had out there when you know what you want.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by fooleo83 View Post
Thanks for all of the responses. What length skis should I be looking at? My current skis are 177cm.

Roastpuff - You mentioned those 179s being about right. Too short/long?
About that length, I'd say.
post #12 of 17
Upper 80's width is fine for the east. My son, a bit shorter and a big heavier than you skied his Elan 888's in a 177 all last year, east and west and loved it.
post #13 of 17
Do you ski where you live at all? Or is it strictly on trips?

If where you live, what kind of conditions there? If only on trips, what is your ratio of East to West? What is your favorite skiing discipline (i.e. trees, groomers, moguls, park etc)?

Are you a better powder or ice skier? I'm a much better ice skier, so I go for all mountain skis with a powder bias, it sort of balances me out. (plus I like pow better!!)

Knowing a bit more will help, there is no perfect do i all ski, there is always some level of compromise.

For the two mountains you mentioned, I wouldn't worry so much about the skis, I'd just make sure I have strong liver. Them are some fun party towns.
post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dumpy View Post
Do you ski where you live at all? Or is it strictly on trips?

If where you live, what kind of conditions there? If only on trips, what is your ratio of East to West? What is your favorite skiing discipline (i.e. trees, groomers, moguls, park etc)?

Are you a better powder or ice skier? I'm a much better ice skier, so I go for all mountain skis with a powder bias, it sort of balances me out. (plus I like pow better!!)

Knowing a bit more will help, there is no perfect do i all ski, there is always some level of compromise.

For the two mountains you mentioned, I wouldn't worry so much about the skis, I'd just make sure I have strong liver. Them are some fun party towns.

I live in DC, but don't do any skiing here. I mostly take trips out West, but I grew up skiing in the northeast, so I'm much better on ice and groomers than in powder. I will probably hang onto my straighter skis and keep those around for when I ski in the northeast.

Very excited for Whistler, which I'm going to for New Year's. Not sure how good of a skier I'll be when I factor in the party scene.
post #15 of 17
No need to hang onto the straight skis. Even if you buy a wider ski for your western trips any 85-95mm wide ski from the past few years is going to outperform 10 year old straight skis.

I had K2 PEs last year and they were good all mountain skis and did fine in hard conditions here in the East. This year I expanded the quiver and switched out the PEs for a Head Monster 77 and a Fischer Watea 94. Haven't skied them yet, but from the reviews I expect the 94mm wide Wateas to be decent even in hard conditions.

I'd say pick a mid to high 80's ski and you'll be fine for VT and the West.

Mike
post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all of the comments / suggestions. Given my height and weight, will 174 cm skis be long enough or should I focus on looking at skis in the upper 170s?
post #17 of 17
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Thanks for all of the comments / suggestions. Given my height and weight, will 174 cm skis be long enough or should I focus on looking at skis in the upper 170s?
I like longer skis. I am 5'10" and 185lbs (just a few more pounds to go) and my short skis are 178? I prefer my 187s for all mountain cruising and when the snow get deeper, I put on either my 191s or 195s. So ya, a 174 ski is to short IMO unless you ski groomers/bumps exclusively.
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