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post #31 of 44
Lars , glad you brought this up, I've been saying the same thing for a while now .
"It's the skier not the ski", fat skis are great but they also tend to make it easier to get into trouble for some.
Powder, steeps and chutes can be a great time but you have to look at the whole picture , skiing is as much a game of psychology as it technique.....oops theres another thing guts and technique are two different things , being able to ride them things and turning them properly and staying in control are still two different things.
post #32 of 44
Todd M, Sorry it took me so long to get back to this thread.This is the 1st that I have heard about Stein braking his tibia.I'm sure he will heal up fast and will be back skiing just about every day of the season at Derr Valley. Yes Stein Eriksen skis much as he always did.But Your right his skiing has evolved.He has his own style of skiing and It is a pleasure to watch such a world class skier on the mountain.At 74 he can still leave most 24 year old skiers eating his dust.
As to our topic at hand.I will admit that if I had the money i would own at least a dozen pair of skis.Yes I am an equipment whore.New skis are just look so sexy all shinny and bright.They just sit there in the ski shop begging to be ridden.The right ski can add to your enjoyment and aid your progress.The wrong ski could hinder your skiing.IMHO the better skier you are you become what ski your skiing matters less and less. Nothing will do more for your skiing like learning how to do it right.You can't buy your way into being a expert skier it takes time and effort.Put Shane McConkie, Jeromy Nobis or for that matter Stein Eriksen on old beater rental reject skis and they would still rip!So buy some of last seasons hot skis at 1/2 price and take the $300 to $500 you saved and take some lessions or take a steeps camp.Hell take a Harold Harb's or one of lito's clinics.Just ask yourself what would you rather hear? "Man those are some great skis" or "Man You really ripped that chute,wish I could ski like that? on that note I'm off for another semi private bump lession.
post #33 of 44
Todd, what film of Stein have you seen? He had two approaches, the one used in race courses and the one used for looking pretty in the movies. In the race course, his feet were as far apart as everyone else's.
post #34 of 44
Stein hurt? whoa.... :
post #35 of 44
Lots of films, lots of race footage. You can't grow up racing and spend your life working full time in this industry and not have seen lots of footage of all the legends, past and current.

He had a lot more than just two approaches in fact, like most accomplished atheletes he adapted to the situation. The closed foot style he was the master at was an effecient way of using the gear he was on at the time, now that the gear and training have advanced a quantum leap - its not effecient anymore, but this doesn't take anything way from the atheletic skill involved . . . especially in one's 70's!
post #36 of 44
Thread Starter 
This thread wasn't by no means meant to jab anyone. If some feel that way, i'm sorry. Dchan, I did use the phrase from your signature but am not flamming it. Oboe knows I mean him no discredit also.

There are skis that allow one to ski different conditions easier, such as fats for powder, mogul skis for moguls, midfats for crud, shortie slaloms for the gates etc. Unless you can afford to own several pairs of skis one has to rely on a favorite pair to get by on. I have two pairs. A shortie slalom, carver which is good almost anywhere any time, and a midfat that I could ski every day in all conditions, all the time. It's fun to demo lots of different skis in search of perfection, the perfect ski for me. I feel I already own them. And in fact, frankly don't see how technology can improve very much to really make a difference to me. I really think it is so foolish for anyone to spend several hundred dollars on a different brand of ski in hopes they will make him or her an expert skier. Brands and technology is so similar in skis today that if you could demo five different midfats blindfolded, you could not tell which one was which. What's the average pair of skis go for these days? $800? $800 will buy you a shit load of lessons. For sure that will make you a better skier. Once you are a better skier, find the right ski in the right size and stick with it. Good skiers ski good on any ski, on any brand. From then on it's just personal preference. Become a better skier first.
post #37 of 44
I only have one pair of skis. That's all I can afford, and I don't get to ski enough these days to justify having more than one pair anyway. But they're an effective compromise for the way I like to ski and the conditions I normally ski in. I'm very happy with them in a wide variety of situations. That being said, I love demoing different skis when I get the chance. It's so much fun figuring out what works and what doesn't on a given pair of boards.

Now, guitars are another matter. I have 5 of them, and they're all good for different things - keeps my playing fresh. I guess skis could be the same way ...

Get well soon, Stein - you've always been my hero!

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 18, 2002 02:06 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Tominator ]</font>
post #38 of 44
LARS,there, now you've said it all - and I agree completely, so - I'm outa here!
post #39 of 44
Matter, what's the INspired?
post #40 of 44
You caught me at the keyboard Gonz..

Dynastar INspired by J. Nobis

Nobis' pro model fat ski from Dynastar. Wider than the big with a twin tip. Intuitiv aka Autodrive construction, 117-89-110. Fun ski but I prefer more sidecut.
post #41 of 44
"It's fun to demo lots of different skis in search of perfection, the perfect ski for me. I feel I already own them. And in fact, frankly don't see how technology can improve very much to really make a difference to me."

Lars, I don't think ski design is finished quite yet. Just when we were seeing ski footprints start to standardize, someone throws in a curve. The "107-70-97" midfat was almost universal this year, but next year K2 is coming out with the Axis XP (115/78/105). All of a sudden the Axis X looks tiny. http://www.8000.it/8000itNew/jumpNews.asp?idUser=0&idNews=2921&idLang=ITundefin ed

Then we have new fat skis like the Atomic Daddies which are making the current "fats" look like midfats.

Looking past geometry, the biggest change in future skis is going to be construction. Rossignols don't feel the same as Atomics. Volkl's don't feel like Salomon's. K2's don't feel like Volants. What construction is best is personal opinion, but there is a BIG difference in feel. Skis are becoming great across the board, but there are still fairly dramatic differences in feel. Look at what the Head Intelligence skis are bringing next season.
Choose Skiing, then hit the Intelligence window. Stupid page wouldn't let me link directly to it.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 18, 2002 05:11 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Matter ]</font>
post #42 of 44
"Finished quite yet"? Ski design will NEVER be finished! That is unless the human race itself is finished and/or there is no snow anywhere. In all sports, all technology - advances march on endlessly.
post #43 of 44
Thread Starter 
I guess what I should have said was that most of todays skis are so similar that anyone will do the trick for any one person. Sure skis feel a little different. One of the reasons I like Rossi's so much is because they are damp and so quiet on the snow. Solomons and Blizzards are noisey and chattery. Etc. Some people like the different feel and become accustomed to it, therefore usually sticking to one brand of ski. As much as I love the new skis of todays technology, I loved my old 200 7Sk's just as well. I remember ripping deep pow and crud wind blown crap and bumps on them just as nice and with just as much fun as I do with my mid fats. I bet a lot of other people on this site remember it also. I love my shorties, don't get me wrong. All i'm saying is it doesn't really matter what ski you're on, if you can't turn em don't expect to find a magic ski that will do it all for you, or find one to make a significant difference to mask your faults.
post #44 of 44
Amen to guitars they keep getting better with age.
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