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post #31 of 53
50's - WWII surplus, Northland
60's - Kastle
70's - Fischer
80's, mid 90's - Volkl
Mid '90s - '06 - Atomic
'06 - present - Atomic, Stockli
post #32 of 53
Not the type to buy the latest/greatest - I just like to ski...

Been buying Lange boots for my boys as they have dad's skinny feet. Just bought some Salomon Falcons for me to break that trend.

Almost exclusively Dynastar skis for 20 years. I don't have time to demo, so I go with what has worked.

Used Marker bindings until about 5 years ago. This forum made me aware that surprise toe releases were not normal. Been buying Looks ever since. They only come off when they should.

Clothes/gloves - has to be on sale! Was at a Denver-area ski shop yesterday looking at $700 ski jackets. Can't imagine spending that kind of money on a jacket. Somebody must do it.

AM.
post #33 of 53
I skied K2, Look, Nordica from about 1972 until 2001.

This was not brand loyalty, I just kept getting great deals on equipment of the same brands for unrelated reasons. Now I don't ski on any of those.
post #34 of 53
Mostly Atomic skis and boots the past 5 years or so. Little bit of everything before that. Only 1 pair of Rossi's all these years. I had a pair of 4S's , which I think I read somewhere was one of the biggest selling skis of all time. Some gear that sticks out as being memorable,
Good
Volkl G30 188 cm -thought it was a great ski very versatile
Atomic SL 11- 164 cm great ice skate unflappable on boiler plate
K2 PE 179 cm- might become a gear minamalist if my enthusiasm holds up on the PE.
Memorably Bad
198 cm K2 Merlin V1- too much ski
Kastle Magnesium 208 cm (something or other)- wouldn't turn
Raichle Flexons- what's the matter with me , everybody but me loved this boot
Atomic Metron X1- 162 cm- loved it in the beginning , ended up hating it. too much a 1 trick 12 meter radius pony

Too much $$ has been spent the last 40 years on my ski and gear obsession. That's a big reason why I like Epic so much, I can't hold a candle to many of you here when it comes to owning gear. It makes me feel better about what I have spent!

Seriously, if you can afford it and it makes you happy, why not. I remember vividly riding the chair at A Basin back in the early 90's when a guy skiing a pair of K2 812's burst out of the woods and GS'd a mogul field below him , and as I watched this guy ski at a level I could only dream of it dawned on me , I sold the same gear he was on at a swap years earlier for $150. Like in golf, sometimes its the Indian and not the arrow.
post #35 of 53
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post
since Volkl started making cap skis, over-shaped skis, and chinese skis I find myself thinking: want Volkls, buy some Stocklis. so much for brand loyalty, screw them (racing models excepted).
Cap skis aren't necessarily inferior.

I've had K2 cap skis which fell apart, and were woeful in terms of performance.

My Volkl AC50's are cap skis, and they're killer. The deeply milled "Sensorwood" core creates high sidewalls, which envelope the bindings and render the top edges indestructible.

I've also got Gotama's, which are NOT a cap ski. Their top-edges are more easily chipped away. The same is true for Mantras.
post #36 of 53
I really like the Atomic skis since they came out with the B technology.

I also like Volkl but lately they look really tacky to me with their vibration dampening contraptions. Great ski with decent reviews aside from that.
post #37 of 53
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Originally Posted by lamar_air View Post
I really like the Atomic skis since they came out with the B technology.

I also like Volkl but lately they look really tacky to me with their vibration dampening contraptions. Great ski with decent reviews aside from that.
I've had Atomics for years, and always enjoyed them. Great grip and lively performance.

Yet, I find myself reverting back to laminated wood-core skis. There's a certain smoothness and feel to wood that's difficult to capture with a synthetic.
post #38 of 53
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Originally Posted by Strato View Post
I've had Atomics for years, and always enjoyed them. Great grip and lively performance.

Yet, I find myself reverting back to laminated wood-core skis. There's a certain smoothness and feel to wood that's difficult to capture with a synthetic.
Atomics have some wood core skis as well..
post #39 of 53
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Originally Posted by Dino View Post
There's a lot of bias against Chinese made Volkls here and on TGR, and I would like to know if there's some data that shows the Chinese Volkls are inferior in performance and durability (as opposed to some perception or anecdotes).

The reason I don't buy Volkls anymore is simply because they're made in China. For all I know they're super durable and really well made, but I'd rather not go that route. I know it's impossible to not buy anything made in China these days, but I try to steer clear of Chinese made expensive products like skis, ski clothes (ArcTeryx really bummed me out when they went Chinese) and stuff. I've got two pairs of Sanouks which I love, as well as a pair of Explosivs, but they were all made by Krauts.
post #40 of 53
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
The reason I don't buy Volkls anymore is simply because they're made in China. For all I know they're super durable and really well made, but I'd rather not go that route. I know it's impossible to not buy anything made in China these days, but I try to steer clear of Chinese made expensive products like skis, ski clothes (ArcTeryx really bummed me out when they went Chinese) and stuff. I've got two pairs of Sanouks which I love, as well as a pair of Explosivs, but they were all made by Krauts.

Not all Arc'Teryx stuff is made in China. I recently bought an apache fleece and r320 harness, and both were manufactured in Canada. Also, I work in the industry (no, not for Arc'Teryx) and it might be of interest for a lot of people to know that their China facilities are exclusive - they were built from the ground up by the company. No cookie cutter factories pumping out products for 10 - 100 different brands. I'm not saying I agree fully with the philosophy, but I feel it's unfair to make blanket statements across the industry when it comes to Chinese manufacturing. "Going Chinese" might mean something drastically different from one company to another in terms of both quality and ethics.
post #41 of 53
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Originally Posted by Dino View Post
There's a lot of bias against Chinese made Volkls here and on TGR, and I would like to know if there's some data that shows the Chinese Volkls are inferior in performance and durability (as opposed to some perception or anecdotes).

The reason I ask is because my personal experience is that the crappiest skis, by far, that I've owned in the last 10 years was a pair of German made Volkls, and the two best pairs were a pair of Chinese made Gotamas and a pair of German made G30s.

Does anyone have any performance/durability data that would suggest that I should change my loyalties from Volkl, if they continue to manufacture in China?
I have heard, and I have not put my hands on the skis, that many Gotamas are letting go of binding screws. this would be the place to ask: any confirmation of that? (of course the lack of a metal sandwich is a factor,but still....) any one want to compare the German original wood and metal sandwich Goat to the newest incarnations?
post #42 of 53
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Originally Posted by Strato View Post
Cap skis aren't necessarily inferior....

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agreed, and yet, specific example, I had the Pros, the immediate successor to the G-31 I dug so much, and they just didn't have the power or the durability (60 days, maybe?), leaving me to believe that th G series was the last really strong all mountain ski they produced.
post #43 of 53
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Originally Posted by Attacking Mid View Post
Used Marker bindings until about 5 years ago. This forum made me aware that surprise toe releases were not normal. Been buying Looks ever since. They only come off when they should.


AM.
I chuckles at that one.
post #44 of 53
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post
I have heard, and I have not put my hands on the skis, that many Gotamas are letting go of binding screws. this would be the place to ask: any confirmation of that? (of course the lack of a metal sandwich is a factor,but still....) any one want to compare the German original wood and metal sandwich Goat to the newest incarnations?
I've heard scattered stories of screws pulling out of Gotamas ever since the 05 vintage (I believe production on Gotamas didn't move to China until 07) - I always chalked it up to dumb techs using the wrong drill bit.
post #45 of 53
So that's why I get a craving for General Tsao's chicken whenever I ski on my Mantras. . . .
post #46 of 53
Whenever I ski on my Mantras I get hungry for General Tsao's Chicken. . . . .hmmm
post #47 of 53
have had a few loyalties over the years, principally

Salomon bindings from 74 (the 505 Equipe) through to about 1990 when I discovered ESS
Kastle skis 78-86
Dynastar 86-92
Volkl 90-00 (changed to Atomic when I didn't like the G31)
Koflach boots 83-90
Tecnica boots 90-06
With a wide range of other brands scattered in between, Vielhaber ( not many here will have heard of them!!) Blizzard, Atomic, Salomon, Caber, Kastinger, even Marker bindings ....

These days my primary brand loyalty tends to be to Ebay, epicski or similar... - lets me satisfy my wish to keep experimenting at a reasonable cost and move on if i don't like !

Having said that I do find myself gravitating to race gear from fischer/ Tyrolia (having the jig seals the deal)/atomic provided the deals are right and i have been on nordica boots since I discovered the Doberman.

I have never been a rossi fan, having only very briefly owned a Roc 550 and a SG and now have a pair of DHs to try.

Worst ever? K2 comps in 76, collapsed an edge on one ski after 4 days, repaired it and did teh same on the second ski after 6 days . Couldn't get it warrantied and vowed to never use a K2 again!
post #48 of 53
I guess we have a familial Volkl loyalty now. We all had various different skis, but now (all through demoing) I have Katanas, my brother has Mantras, and my mom has Auras. I'm a little worried about my Katanas self destructing, but I really enjoyed the ski.
post #49 of 53
Um I'm loyal to good deals on good equipment.

My first skis were a pair of Heads mounted with Tyrolia Bindings. I skied varous nordica boots for about 10 years and then a pair of Atomics for a year followed by Salomon's for the last 7 years or so. I have been all over the place on skis. Besides the heads I have owned/skied Atomic, Kastle, K2, Volkl, Fischer, and Rossignol.
post #50 of 53
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Originally Posted by cstreu1026 View Post
Um I'm loyal to good deals on good equipment.
I should have said the same. Partly why I've stuck with Dynastars (almost exclusively) for 20 years for everyone in the family. I know they'll offer decent performance, and I have always been able to find leftovers at bargain prices.

Picked up some 08 Trouble Makers for son #2 and also some Dynastar (Look) PX 12's both off Tramdock for under $300 combined. If he doesn't destroy 'em over the next two seasons, they'll get handed down to son #3 (who just got handed down some Dynastar Concept twins still in good shape).

I'm still enjoying some SkiCross 9's I originally got for son #1 at Sniagrab for (I think) a C-note. Liked his so much, I grabbed a second pair for me for even a few $$ less the following season.

If it's icy, I grab my SC9's. If it's a powder dump, I resort to my SC9's and lean back a bit. If it's bumps, I get out my specialy bump ski... SC9 and try to remain smooth and balanced. But for trees and hucking, I must use my SC9's.

I know.... you're all jealous over my "quiver"

AM.
post #51 of 53
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Originally Posted by Dino View Post
the crappiest skis, by far, that I've owned in the last 10 years was a pair of German made Volkls, and the two best pairs were a pair of Chinese made Gotamas and a pair of German made G30s.
So, what were the crappy ski? Don't leave us in suspense.

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Originally Posted by Dino View Post
Does anyone have any performance/durability data that would suggest that I should change my loyalties from Volkl, if they continue to manufacture in China?
I have seen none. That said, I'm sticking to German-made Völkls until the data is in.

As to the thread topic: I currently own four pairs of Völkls. (my 5th pair of skis are Fischer - they're also XC skis) That should say something about my loyalty. I've tried many other brands and owned a few, but I always seem to like the Völkls best.

For bindings, a strong loyalty to Marker. After witnessing three tibia fractures in a year's span on Salomon bindings I swore off of using them. I've never had a problem with pre-release, even though I have them set as type II skier and I usually ski more IIIish.

Boots: buy whatever fits. Currently Nordica Doberman Pro 130, but when it comes time to replace them I'll be working with the bootfitter.

Clothes: whatever. Beginners should be required to wear either Bogners or licensed NFL apparel or snowmobile suits so that we can see them coming. The rest of us should just wear whatever is comfortable.

Poles: the poles have been wrong before. At least that's what people kept telling me up until a week ago. Anyway, I use the $5 ones from the reuse center.
post #52 of 53
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Originally Posted by MoeLarryCheese View Post
So that's why I get a craving for General Tsao's chicken whenever I ski on my Mantras. . . .
no, that would be sauerkraut and wurst you're craving, as the Mantra is one of the models they still make in Deutschland.
post #53 of 53
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Originally Posted by Walt View Post
So, what were the crappy ski? Don't leave us in suspense.
LOL - quite right: Volkl (G3) Motions (integrated Marker 1200s on plastic rails). I got 'em new/cheap in Cortina, Italy (Euro was at .87 in 2002 and no VAT), but I kept pre-releasing, which I attributed to the Markers and/or the plastic rails. BTW, they were a pretty ugly beige color, too...
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