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Forward lean/cuff angle

post #1 of 15
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So I was in a shop the other day looking at boots and the boot fitter (who seemed uber-knowledgeable) was looking at my old boots. He said that they don't sell that brand, nor several others for one reason and reason only, the cuff of the boot has a forward angle to it. They only sell boots that have a more upright stance.

Does this makes sense? Do all (or even a large majority) skiers need boots with a very upright stance? Or do some skiers need upright and some need slanted? (Sorry if my terminology sucks)
Should I trust these folks with my feet?

Or am I opening a big can of worms right now, on par with asking what the best binding is or asking what people think of Harb?
post #2 of 15
No, it doesn't make sense. Run dumpy, run .
post #3 of 15
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Does this makes sense? Do all (or even a large majority) skiers need boots with a very upright stance? Or do some skiers need upright and some need slanted? (Sorry if my terminology sucks)
Should I trust these folks with my feet?

Hi Dumpy,

I agree with jdistefa, the forward lean You need will depend on your calf circumference, ankle flexibility, binding delta angle, etc, etc, etc, run---run---run. For instance, a person with a thin calf in an upright boot would have ubber fore/aft balance problems.

miketsc
post #4 of 15
seems strange to carry only one type of boot, be that race, or narrow, or soft, or upright.

In general more people like boots more upright (as in I remove more F lean shims then add them)
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
hmmm maybe I will look around more before I buy from this shop.

Unfortunately they are the only half way decent boot fitter in my area.
post #6 of 15
I am of the opinion that every ski boot on the market has at least enough forward lean and many have more than enough.

As others have mentioned there are many factors that go into proper fore/aft balance.

Cuff angle is just one and it's is one that can generally be changed without a lot of drama.

Overall, our clients are more likely to have forward cuff angle decreased instead of increased.

Some boots are too forward for some people and some boots are too upright for other people.

jl
post #7 of 15
Each skier should be judged independantly, some will need more forward lean, some will need less.
post #8 of 15
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Originally Posted by BOOTech,Inc. View Post
I am of the opinion that every ski boot on the market has at least enough forward lean and many have more than enough.

As others have mentioned there are many factors that go into proper fore/aft balance.

Cuff angle is just one and it's is one that can generally be changed without a lot of drama.

Overall, our clients are more likely to have forward cuff angle decreased instead of increased.

Some boots are too forward for some people and some boots are too upright for other people.

jl
That pretty much sounds like the philosophy the shop in question is probably following. The bootfitter I talked to made it sound like a big factor in what boots they sell is ease of customization. Possibly this is more the reason for the upright cuffs; if thats what more people need out of the box and it's easy to adjust otherwise might as well go with it and adjust if need be.

Hmmm now I'm thinking I may be safe there, at the time I got a very good vibe about their boot fitting abilities, but started to think about this issue and got scared. Now it makes more sense.

It will probably come down to a coin flip
post #9 of 15
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It will probably come down to a coin flip
better hope it has two heads if they are talking the way they are....just seems a strange way of describing the situation to me, maybe we do not have all the facts.... what makes / models do they stock?
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by CEM View Post
better hope it has two heads if they are talking the way they are....just seems a strange way of describing the situation to me, maybe we do not have all the facts.... what makes / models do they stock?
They carry Lange, Technica and Salomon. Can't remember specific models carried.
post #11 of 15
Well look at that, three of the main brands in skiing. I am not aware of any substantive differences between what these guys do and everyone else. I will say that the Tecnica Race Pro has some major forward lean.

Anyway sounds more like someone just talking without much real info behind their words but as already mentioned we don't know what models they are selling.

Lou
post #12 of 15
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Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post
Anyway sounds more like someone just talking without much real info behind their words but as already mentioned we don't know what models they are selling.

Lou
That is sort of what I thought at first, but at the same time, he seemed very knowledgeable about a lot of bootfitting. I tend to "haze" someone that I am planning on getting fitted by. Asking lots of questions, paying attention to how they answer, I don't just blindly trust. This guy certainly passed my test, until I started thinking about this.

I still do think I will buy from there, as they did put me right into a boot that felt like a well fitting boot in a store should.
post #13 of 15
I certainly would not prioritize my boot buying with the forward lean angle as a primary criteria!
post #14 of 15
Well we've all chimed in now and it seems you have enough knowledge on your own the proceed. Good luck!

Lou
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Lou Rosenfeld View Post
Well we've all chimed in now and it seems you have enough knowledge on your own the proceed. Good luck!

Lou
I do, and think i have made up my mind (if anyone has any further thoughts, don't let this stop you, I've been known to change my mind).

Thanks everyone for the help.

-Jeff
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