Hey I was just being nice comparing Frederich with a sack of potatoes. Normally I would stop the guy and let him hike up the hill to do it again. Same with Cuche, we know he wants to make speed with his arms, but it is not really something that you want to teach. That is left to his individual style. Also the fact that he lifts the inside ski, horrible really to use as an example.
Ever saw Bode Miller in the moguls? That guy cracks me up.
Many things they do in a race happens because of speed. A high arm on the outside, a ski lifted up. The guy is just being flexible and constantly re-adjusting. Has nothing to do with the actual technique.
But besides all this, there is not one correct way. The only correct way in skiing is to make it down in one piece and have fun on top of that.
From the coaches perspective you have to always look for newer, better and faster ways. Many times though you think you are onto something, but I have seen it all way too many times that the traditional and basic skiing technique comes out on top. Most of the improvements are tactically, you can only refine the alpine technique, but not really alter it.
Recognizing that is in fact the "higher level of coaching" although in my mind there is not such a thing.
The coach at Club level may not know everything, but is really the one that does the hard work. They make something out of nothing and for the most part, they keep the kids coming back to our sport. That is much needed and at national level all of that is really appreciated, we do not have the time to practice "snow plough" all day. You are better off to join course maintenance or carry gates.
With timing, video and Software you have of course tools that is not to everyone accessible. That makes it easier for us to filter out the good from the bad. Or fast from the slow. Also it helps to have the currently fastest racers on the hill, because you know you are right there.
Hey and when we dominated the WC and took the first 13 spots in a race, we really felt a bit sorry for the rest of the world. Since then a lot of them moved closer to us on the hill to get a glimpse of us (austrians).
To build a solid base or foundation you have to learn the basics and learn them well. As you can see in the video, the fastest in the world are not necessary the best skiers. But it helps to look at those videos and try to see what is going on with skis, legs, torso and arms. The one Yellow jacket video hangs way too much on the inside. Did you see him struggling at times with the balance? His head draging his body towards the inside, see his skis chatter and not tracking well? Nobody mentioned that, why? Still convinced that "Inclination" is the best medicine?
Originally Posted by tdk6
Since we do not know their intent we cannot but assume. They might also be having different intent. But you are right, they are different in their approach. Nyberg is much more passive. Cuche and Grandi much more dynamic. Are they faster? Impossible to say but Nyberg did make it into the top 10 over a hundred times and won several WC GS and SG races. Lets not compare to Cuche or Grandi but Nyberg did something right. From a coach perspective I could make a comment that the video is a good example of how hard it is to strip your skiing of all other elements than what coach prescribes. Lets pretend all three athletes got the same instructions but they all skied it differently. There might be tactics involved but I bet its more than that. People are simply different. Hard to find two skiers in a coaching group that does everything exactly the same way. Thats why we need to focus not only on differences but also on similarities. If bag of potatoes is fast then thats certainly one valid way to ski. Or ski a drill.
Back to the original topic of pumping for speed. There is no doubt a need to do this. I use two basic techniques. One I picked up in Austria in the 80s and that mimics "scating backwards" on scates. Same movements but you do it on skis forwards. The other I picked up from nordic skiing scating style. I have sofar never been beat on flats scating like this (by other ptatosacks
). WC nordic scating skiing technique is based on pushing the ski forwards and not backwards. Very few know how to do this. You need to project your CoM forwards and this you do by movements resembling jumping backwards. Question remains, is a valid technique to flex rappidly and then extend explosively to gain speed at apex?