The progression involves jumping, which is not involved in the regular ski technique. I know that and I know that you are not a beginner either. I think I can trust your judgment, right? What I gave you was not one drill only, but an entire progression. You ask me how to teach that and I gave you one example. You may find another one. Like I told you there are several. This is just one way of helping someone to get the moves broken up and assemble the correct sequence. Like the Javelin involves lifting up the inside ski, the "Charlston" involves only to ski on the inside ski....The "swedish" turn tips and tail only.....sometimes you actually teach the exact opposite from right. Just so you can make everyone not just see, but feel the difference. It is left up to you how long you apply those "false" moves and when you guide the athlete back on track.
So, now to up unweighing/down weighing. That happens to everyone, otherwise you cannot change the edges in order to enter the next turn. Whether it is just the slightest move out of your knees and ankles, or if you lift up in an extreme way (jump). that is when you unweigh your skis. As you enter into the new turn, you would start flexing the knees. That is considered down/weighing. (You will start adding weight mostly to the new outside ski)
Now the opposite. Instead of going up, you would go down quick enough to take the weight off the skis in order to change the edges. Well now that you are down, you only have one way of going and that is up. by doing so progressively(towards stretching) you will add weight again towards the outer ski. This by the way takes far more energy, but saves a lot of motion. This is why it is important to know both ways, it is a huge advantage.
And yes you can combine them both. Not as you have suggested, but lets say the racers is in a nice angulation right at the apex of the turn and is about to exit. Everybody talk already what happens in the transition and how the weight moved. Hey why not make a bit more speed, right? Now as your knees are quite bent and you have no other choice but to stretch you can make speed again by applying exactly what is describe with "up weighing". Rick gives a good example in those videos, you actually should be able to filter those moves out. But boy those guys may be fast in gates, but are not necessarily the best free skiers either.
Anyhow, perhaps you need to talk to Torwald Linus, I cannot open your first link in "Firefox", just with IE and I am not a fan of that Browser. (Hey, I am just kidding)
Originally Posted by tdk6
Thanks for your input simplyfast. Could you please explain in more detail exactly what is "up unweighing/down weighing" and what is "down unweighting/up weighing". To my understanding and reading from your post up unweighing/down weighting is pressure build up under your skis as you extend. "Down unweighting/up weighting" using the same logic would be pressure decrease as you flex. Therefore the result is not the same. They are not interchangable. If you want to increase pressure under your skis you cannot down unweight/up weight. However, what goes up must come down and there is a sudden decrease in pressure as your extention slows down and comes to a stop at full extention. Here inertia and the laws of physics reduce pressure under skis. Same applies down unweighting/up weighting. Its the other way arround. The combination of the two you are talking about could be extending up and then flexing down. As simple as that. This is the reason Im sceptical to all theories involving down unweighitng. It exsists yes, but its part of up unweighting just as the german translation "up unweighting/down weighting" and "down unweighting/up weighting" implies. Up unweighting/down weighting could be split into two parts, first part being "up unweighing/down weighing" and the second part "up unweighting/up weighting". Inertia goes up and then comes down. Most common way of unweighing for turing purposes.
The drills you are talking about involve jumping. This is what modern skiers are not used to do on skis. With todays skis you only need to set an edge and par and ride. It can be seen very clearly from this great video only to show the difference between the pure carving and dynamic skiing, the kids are top skier. You can see the difference between the coach and the kids. I think :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-olZHCdEWyM
Check out this video that I made a while back to document a drill I was thaught in Austria many years ago. One instructor thaught it still was a great drill for one of the most important skills:http://ski.topeverything.com/default...nt&ID=E43D304F
BTW, thanks for the drill suggestions.