or Connect
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

New England from New Jersey - Page 3

post #61 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJskier164 View Post
 

Well, the key is "after a nice dump".... I can remember maybe one time that the woods "might" have been decent in all the times I've skied there.

 

I did do some "scrub brush" skiing under the Tomahawk chair one time  LOL 


I would guess that last season there were plenty of days where there was enough snow to ski the trees.  When I was there in late March a couple seasons ago, there was decent coverage in the trees.  But I was in "tourist mode" and just looked from the edges.

post #62 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJskier164 View Post
 

Belleayre is a "tiered" ski area, easy slopes on the bottom half, more difficult ones on top.  Also, Belleayre is more similar to areas like Camelback where the runs come from a wide ridge. By comparison, Elk is more like a typical New England ski area where there is a summit, and the runs peel off to either side for the easier ones and straight down for the steeper ones.  Elk also is usually less crowded than the southern Pocono areas simply because it's a longer drive for people from the NYC and Philly areas.

Ive never been to Plattekill but I know people who have gone and from what I hear it is a no-frills area that doesn't get very crowded, then again it also sounds like an area that can't support crowds very well.  Also further from civilization than Belleayre and Hunter. 

I've been to Catamount one time, hated the general layout of the place.  I prefer Butternut if I'm going to be in that area.

 

So Camelback is similar to Bellearye, just smaller?  (and about 1/2 hour less drive for me)

 

For me Elk is a similar drive as Belleayre. (My trip report to Belleayre from April.)

 

I definitely would like to ski at Plattekill.  (Perhaps a 2-3 day ski trip to Belleayre/Plattekill would be a idea for me to try. :) )

 

Never went to Butternut or Catamount, but they are close enough together that 15 minutes more driving is worth it if I considered Butternut to be much better than Catamount.

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by steamboat1 View Post
 

That may change soon since Belleayre got approval for a 600 room hotel, golf course, etc. They're talking $365 million plus investment.

 

Would be interesting to see what develops.  Hopefully, it will only make the ski area better.  It might even indirectly benefit Plattekill.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by marznc View Post
 


I've been to Elk, Belleayre (spring conditions), and Plattekill.  If there's been a snowstorm within a day or two, well worth the extra drive to Plattekill if you want to ski 1000 ft vert in one shot, with or without soft bumps.  A few of the top-to-bottom trails are never groomed, at least one is only groomed on one side.  There is also tree skiing at Plattekill.

 

The advantage of Belleayre over Elk in terms of terrain is that there are trees that are skiable at Belleayre.

 

Elk on a weekend is pretty busy midday.  Best to arrive early, stop to eat around 11:30, then ski when the lodge is packed with people 12:00-1:30.  I think many families start going home by 2:30 or so.

 

If interested in staying overnight, there is not much in the way of decent lodging really close to Belleayre.  For Elk, can stay 20 min away in Scranton/Dickson City.  I stayed at the Microtel just off I-81 in Dickson City.  Plenty of food options nearby.  They have a stay&ski package that's a good deal for 2 people.  The owner/GM is a skier who gets up to Elk as much as he can.

 

If someone wanted to drive to Belleayre a few times from NJ, worth looking into the Ski3 lift ticket and pass options.  Could get in a few days at Gore and/or Whiteface.

 

At this point, tree skiing is not high on my list.  (I never skiied through the trees)

 

Ski3 is a nice deal, especially if one planned on skiing a good number of days at Belleayre/Gore/Whiteface.  (For me those 3 areas are easier drives than other NE areas in VT, NH, and ME)

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by x10003q View Post
 


Do you realize that Plattekill is about 20 minutes past Belleayre?  Plattekill skis like Elk  with way less crowds, easier parking and steeper slopes, plus, as mentioned, the woods are in play. They seem to get more natural snow than Elk also. Belleayre, too, is worth the drive. The upper section of Belleayre also skis like Elk. If you are skiing on a holiday weekend go to Plattekill.

 

Yes. (although I thought it was about 30 minutes further -- not a big difference either way)  I could see Plattekill from the upper slopes at Belleayre.  Thanks for the comparison of Plattekill to Elk.

post #63 of 77

Plattekill is much steeper overall than Elk. I would have no problem sending a family of intermediates to Elk. They could have a great time and not be bored. I think an intermediate or below at Plattekill would end up bored skiing the same few runs all day, unless they were up for a challenge. The majority of Plattekill's better trails are steep, narrow and left pretty natural. And there are the trees..

 

I've been to Platty on some of their busiest days ever and never waited for more than a minute to get on the double. Waiting for a beer was another story altogether,.

post #64 of 77
I spent 27 years or so skiing at Camelback. If something else is doable, do it. First of all, it's crowded. Second, there's a ton of people, and third, it's crowded. But it might be better than Hunter. The other issue is that there are few slopes with SUSTAINED vertical. Yes, Cliffhanger and Nile Mile have it, but most of the place is a short plunge followed by runout.

Sure, you can play the crowds, identifying the timing of when lifts will ebb and flow, but if you can find some place else, do it. The problem with the place is that it is right off the interstate and easy to get to. I had a house there for sixteen years, so I could be in line first chair easily, get most of my vertical in by ten, work the crowds after that and exit to safety by two.
post #65 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by sibhusky View Post

I spent 27 years or so skiing at Camelback. If something else is doable, do it. First of all, it's crowded. Second, there's a ton of people, and third, it's crowded. But it might be better than Hunter. The other issue is that there are few slopes with SUSTAINED vertical. Yes, Cliffhanger and Nile Mile have it, but most of the place is a short plunge followed by runout.

Sure, you can play the crowds, identifying the timing of when lifts will ebb and flow, but if you can find some place else, do it. The problem with the place is that it is right off the interstate and easy to get to. I had a house there for sixteen years, so I could be in line first chair easily, get most of my vertical in by ten, work the crowds after that and exit to safety by two.


Agree with all of this 110%  LOL

post #66 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowbowl
No, everyway west to east along route 7 corridor is a mountain gap. The one you described is Rte 17 App. gap is the steepest west to east, There is one at Middlebury Rte 125 Middlebury Gap, not as steep going east as App Gap, There is one at Brandon Rte 73 Brandon gap

Brandon Gap is the best way, cuts northeast. Middlebury Gap cuts southeast, you'll lose time right there, plus a couple of towns & twisty turns to slow you down. Only a couple of steep twisty turns on the west side of Brandon Gap otherwise good road & no towns. There's even a short cut to get there without having to go into Brandon. Make a right just past Otter Valley Union High School on 7 at the Citgo station. It'll take you right into 73 (Brandon Gap)

post #67 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreyPilgrim View Post

 

I definitely would like to ski at Plattekill.  (Perhaps a 2-3 day ski trip to Belleayre/Plattekill would be a idea for me to try. :) )

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by x10003q View Post
 


Do you realize that Plattekill is about 20 minutes past Belleayre?  Plattekill skis like Elk  with way less crowds, easier parking and steeper slopes, plus, as mentioned, the woods are in play. They seem to get more natural snow than Elk also. Belleayre, too, is worth the drive. The upper section of Belleayre also skis like Elk. If you are skiing on a holiday weekend go to Plattekill.

 

Yes. (although I thought it was about 30 minutes further -- not a big difference either way)  I could see Plattekill from the upper slopes at Belleayre.  Thanks for the comparison of Plattekill to Elk.

Did you catch Ray's TR for Plattekill?  Includes one of his best videos.  His family had a ball.  For weekend skiing, I think an intermediate would have a good time for a day or two since could spend more time skiing and less time waiting in a lift line.  Standing around in line for 15-20 min . . . now that is boring.  The green and blue trails are top to bottom, so longer than at some Mid-Atlantic ski areas.  Nice not having to dodge both slow and fast skiers on a green trail.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/130876/catskill-heaven-a-weekend-in-plattekill-alba-aventures-dec-13-14-2014

 

Don't know if @ralba has gone to Belleayre or not.

post #68 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by steamboat1 View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snowbowl
No, everyway west to east along route 7 corridor is a mountain gap. The one you described is Rte 17 App. gap is the steepest west to east, There is one at Middlebury Rte 125 Middlebury Gap, not as steep going east as App Gap, There is one at Brandon Rte 73 Brandon gap

Brandon Gap is the best way, cuts northeast. Middlebury Gap cuts southeast, you'll lose time right there, plus a couple of towns & twisty turns to slow you down. Only a couple of steep twisty turns on the west side of Brandon Gap otherwise good road & no towns. There's even a short cut to get there without having to go into Brandon. Make a right just past Otter Valley Union High School on 7 at the Citgo station. It'll take you right into 73 (Brandon Gap)


I ended up going through Brandon Gap on RT73 driving west from Boston to Lake Placid in Sept.  Had to force my GPS to take that route.  Definitely pretty easy driving.  But initially the GPS routed me on the shortest route, which started with a dirt road north of Bethel.  I had to backtrack to RT107 to get to RT100.

 

I knew RT100 was pretty flat after driving from Pico to Waitsfield last winter in my NC minivan.

post #69 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by marznc View Post
 

Did you catch Ray's TR for Plattekill?  Includes one of his best videos.  His family had a ball.  For weekend skiing, I think an intermediate would have a good time for a day or two since could spend more time skiing and less time waiting in a lift line.  Standing around in line for 15-20 min . . . now that is boring.  The green and blue trails are top to bottom, so longer than at some Mid-Atlantic ski areas.  Nice not having to dodge both slow and fast skiers on a green trail.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/130876/catskill-heaven-a-weekend-in-plattekill-alba-aventures-dec-13-14-2014

 

Don't know if @ralba has gone to Belleayre or not.

Thanks for the plug.. Yes, We have done Belleayre several times in the last few years. Great mountain too.. Charm, nice runs.. But, if I had to choose between the two; it would have to be Platty...

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/130683/bellayre-blues-alba-adventures-season-2-ep-3-dec-6-2014

post #70 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by steamboat1 View Post
 

Brandon Gap is the best way, cuts northeast. Middlebury Gap cuts southeast, you'll lose time right there, plus a couple of towns & twisty turns to slow you down. Only a couple of steep twisty turns on the west side of Brandon Gap otherwise good road & no towns.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by marznc View Post
 


I ended up going through Brandon Gap on RT73 driving west from Boston to Lake Placid in Sept.  Had to force my GPS to take that route.  Definitely pretty easy driving.  But initially the GPS routed me on the shortest route, which started with a dirt road north of Bethel.  I had to backtrack to RT107 to get to RT100.

 

I knew RT100 was pretty flat after driving from Pico to Waitsfield last winter in my NC minivan.

Driving west from Boston to Lake Placid Middlebury Gap would've been a better choice, it cuts northwest & will drop you off further north on Rt. 7. In the town of Middlebury you can pick up a road (forget the #) which will take you to Kings Point bridge & over Lake Champlain to the NY side. Brandon Gap will drop you off further south on Rt.7. Our ski lodge is just north of Rutland on Rt.7 & going over Kings Point I can get to Whiteface in the same time it takes to get to Stowe (about 2hrs.). Going down to Rutland & across on Rt.4 to I-87 is the long way.

post #71 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by steamboat1 View Post
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by steamboat1 View Post
 

Brandon Gap is the best way, cuts northeast. Middlebury Gap cuts southeast, you'll lose time right there, plus a couple of towns & twisty turns to slow you down. Only a couple of steep twisty turns on the west side of Brandon Gap otherwise good road & no towns.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by marznc View Post
 


I ended up going through Brandon Gap on RT73 driving west from Boston to Lake Placid in Sept.  Had to force my GPS to take that route.  Definitely pretty easy driving.  But initially the GPS routed me on the shortest route, which started with a dirt road north of Bethel.  I had to backtrack to RT107 to get to RT100.

 

I knew RT100 was pretty flat after driving from Pico to Waitsfield last winter in my NC minivan.

Driving west from Boston to Lake Placid Middlebury Gap would've been a better choice, it cuts northwest & will drop you off further north on Rt. 7. In the town of Middlebury you can pick up a road (forget the #) which will take you to Kings Point bridge & over Lake Champlain to the NY side. Brandon Gap will drop you off further south on Rt.7. Our ski lodge is just north of Rutland on Rt.7 & going over Kings Point I can get to Whiteface in the same time it takes to get to Stowe (about 2hrs.). Going down to Rutland & across on Rt.4 to I-87 is the long way.


Yeah, but I decided to pick the route that went through the fewest towns for future reference.  Looks like it's only a few miles longer.  Plus, if I drive to VT, I'm likely to be starting from or going to Albany so checking out the southern route was of more interest.  When driving a NC minivan with no snow tires, I choose where to go on solo ski trips a bit differently than some skiers.  I pick the route that is least likely to have snow on the road that particular week.  What I'm doing is having fun as a tourist who likes to ski and getting a feel for northeast skiing while I have another reason to drive to Lake Placid.  In the last couple years, I've skied a day or two at Smuggs, Stowe, Mt. Sunapee, Loon, Wildcat, Sunday River, Pico, Sugarbush, and MRG in NT/NH/ME either in early Dec or early March.  In Jan-Feb when it's frigid in the northeast . . . I fly out west. :)

post #72 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by marznc View Post
 

Did you catch Ray's TR for Plattekill?  Includes one of his best videos.  His family had a ball.  For weekend skiing, I think an intermediate would have a good time for a day or two since could spend more time skiing and less time waiting in a lift line.  Standing around in line for 15-20 min . . . now that is boring.  The green and blue trails are top to bottom, so longer than at some Mid-Atlantic ski areas.  Nice not having to dodge both slow and fast skiers on a green trail.

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/130876/catskill-heaven-a-weekend-in-plattekill-alba-aventures-dec-13-14-2014

 

Don't know if @ralba has gone to Belleayre or not.

 

Marznc,

 

I was not sure if I did, by I remembered reading the line:  Mad River Glen of the Catskills

 

Thanks for the link.  The snow looked beautiful that day.

 

It was good to see the video.  I probably saw it before, but it is worth seeing again. (I love the enthusiasm in Nevada's voice)

 

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by ralba View Post
 

Thanks for the plug.. Yes, We have done Belleayre several times in the last few years. Great mountain too.. Charm, nice runs.. But, if I had to choose between the two; it would have to be Platty...

 

http://www.epicski.com/t/130683/bellayre-blues-alba-adventures-season-2-ep-3-dec-6-2014

 

Ray,

 

Thanks for the comparison (between Belleayre and Plattekill).  I liked the video as well.  (I probably saw the video, but I am not sure) I would need to improve my skiing before I could take some of those videos (I am assuming you used a selfie stick for some of the footage).

post #73 of 77

@GreyPilgrim : one thing to keep in mind for Ray's videos, those were for trips during early season in Dec.  Needless to say, after the beginning of Jan, conditions can be that better.  Assuming enough flexibility to avoid a weekend right after a r*** event or unusually warm weather.  Definitely would have more terrain open.

post #74 of 77

Dec 7 a [ski] date which will [not] live in infamy.

 

Marznc,

 

Thanks for the heads up. I skied Belleayre this April and most of the mountain was open.  I think it closed Apr 12 and I skied Apr 06.

post #75 of 77
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreyPilgrim View Post
 

Dec 7 a [ski] date which will [not] live in infamy.

 

Marznc,

 

Thanks for the heads up. I skied Belleayre this April and most of the mountain was open.  I think it closed Apr 12 and I skied Apr 06.

Thumbs Up

post #76 of 77

I skied very late season at Belleayre a few years ago.  There was actually a small stream running across the run to the main mountain quad that you had to ski through.  The snow was very soft but not too heavy yet, beautiful weather probably mid 50's.  Great day..I love spring skiing.

post #77 of 77

NJskier164,

 

During my day @ Belleayre a large puddle developed on Roaring Brook, just after Horseshoe Pass, in the afternoon which effectively closed those trails for me.  Puddles of water was not a challenge I expected when skiing.:eek

 

I also enjoyed skiing in the spring.  There are more hours of daylight, it is not bitterly cold, and the crowds start to diminish.

New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Resorts, Conditions & Travel