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Vist plates on a midfat?

post #1 of 11
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I'm looking at buying head monster 78's or perhaps dynastar 8000's for my all-mountain non-powder Tahoe ride. My question is should I mount them up with Vist World Cup Air plates?
I'm 5'9, 167 lbs. Looking at the 171/172cm length, probably. Advanced/Expert skier, ski all over fairly fast, Tahoe.

I have Salomon 912 bindings, no lifters. BUT, I also have a pair of Vist World cup air plates (11mm) that I could use. I had the bindings and plates on K2 Crossfires, and they added significant crud stability. Didn't feel like they did much else, and they're heavy. These are solid pieces of aluminum with elastomer underneath and are pretty nifty. Attach in front, free in back. Does anyone know how a plate like this compares to railflex or dynastar's fluid, both of which go on all-mountain skis?
So I'm torn. On the one hand, I have them. But are they really going to add anything to this kind of ski, especially as I will be using it off groomers 80% of the time? And they are heavy!
Btw, I'm not going to use them on a "groomer zoomer," this will be my narrowest ski. It's now or never for the plates.
Waddya think??
post #2 of 11
If that is going to be your skinniest ski, and you are going to use it on hardpack for carving, it would probably have some benefit.

Otherwise, it could go either way. It definitely won't hurt anything.
post #3 of 11
I am planning to put some Speedlocks on my 77 waisted carvers.
post #4 of 11
I have used Vist on my Stormrider XL's and they came on my Sterling Matterhorns. I like them. The differences I felt on the Stormriders is the Vist system makes the ski stiffer in the middle and the plate gets your boots higher up for ez edge carves. They are more stable and allow you to ski faster. They carve much better. You will loses a little of versiltiy when off the groomed slopes, they tend to be less forgiving.
post #5 of 11
I just question the wisdom of putting a plate on a mid-far ski, which by its nature designed for versatility. It is like putting really thin tires on a Honda Accord- yeah, it will make it corner a little better, but it will never corner like a Porsche, in fact it could look mildly ridiculous.

L8K is one of the lighter, quicker, nimble midfats, and I am worried that putting a heavy plate will rob the ski of some of those characteristics. I doubt that it will stiffen them enough to make them a true Mach3 speed ski. I would doubt that it is worth doing it for 20% of the time that you plan to spend on groomers. From what you say it looks like you may be better with something like a Volkl Tigershark.

Alex


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Originally Posted by squawbomber View Post
I'm looking at buying head monster 78's or perhaps dynastar 8000's for my all-mountain non-powder Tahoe ride. My question is should I mount them up with Vist World Cup Air plates?
I'm 5'9, 167 lbs. Looking at the 171/172cm length, probably. Advanced/Expert skier, ski all over fairly fast, Tahoe.

I have Salomon 912 bindings, no lifters. BUT, I also have a pair of Vist World cup air plates (11mm) that I could use. I had the bindings and plates on K2 Crossfires, and they added significant crud stability. Didn't feel like they did much else, and they're heavy. These are solid pieces of aluminum with elastomer underneath and are pretty nifty. Attach in front, free in back. Does anyone know how a plate like this compares to railflex or dynastar's fluid, both of which go on all-mountain skis?
So I'm torn. On the one hand, I have them. But are they really going to add anything to this kind of ski, especially as I will be using it off groomers 80% of the time? And they are heavy!
Btw, I'm not going to use them on a "groomer zoomer," this will be my narrowest ski. It's now or never for the plates.
Waddya think??
post #6 of 11
If you are looking to use the ski off piste 80% of the time, nix the plate idea.
the Legend 8000 was never sold as a plate system and the benefits would not outweigh the shortcomings.
As for the iM 78, railflex is not as stiff as a Vist plate and once again only benefits on the groomers.
Mind you, you'll enjoy both skis either way but why not maximize them for your stated goals?
post #7 of 11
A plate like that on an 8000, regardless of model year, will have a negative impact on the ski. The 8000 has a very round, softer flex pattern which is partly why the ski is so fun to ski on. A metal plate that is fixed in the front will put too much power into the front portion of the ski and make it feel like the tip is folding.

The 8000 is available flat of with the Fluid system. The Fluid system is a composite plate that offers a little dampening and height, but does not change the flex of the ski at all.

Would the plate work on the ski? sure and it would make it very solid underfoot. But, as Alex mentioned the overall impact would be bad on the 8000.
post #8 of 11
Agree with the last poster about the 8000, but partly disagree about the reasoning. The Vist plate you have allows the heel to move as the ski flexes, will not significantly hinder longitudinal flex. (If you want to completely free the flex, take a hacksaw and cut the aluminum strip that connects the front and back plate.) Either way, it will make the ski heavier, damper, and stiffer torsionally in the middle, make it better at its weakness (carving hardpack), but not as nice at its strengths (bumps, trees, powder). So why compromise the best stuff about a ski?

Same effect on the iM78, but that ski is not as oriented toward the backside to begin with, so you're just making it better at its strengths (busting crud, carving). If you want to use the Sollies, I'd say go with the Vist plate and push those suckers hard...
post #9 of 11
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Originally Posted by squawbomber View Post
Waddya think??
See if you can score a set of PowerAxe.
post #10 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thank you all for your responses. Obviously, the plates are nice pieces of high tech stuff and wouldn't be the worst thing to do.
That said, I'm leaning towards keeping the skis light and simple since I'm not going to be using them on icy racecourses.
Thanks again.
post #11 of 11
Always wanted to put some Nordica XBS plates on a big mountain ski.


I think I will.
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