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Rossignol B78 (2008) versus B2 (2007)

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Are there any differences between these two skis? My friend says theyre identical. However it seems like the B2 has a slightly raised tail whereas the B78 does not, which started me thinking other things are different as well. So I'm searching the internet for reviews and the B2 seems to get glowing praise everywhere, yet the B78 is largely unmentioned or considered a sort of unlively ski by a few.

So can someone who knows give me the real scoop about the differences?

I'm an advanced-expert skier on the West Coast. I spend a vast majority of my time on piste, but want to keep the option to go elsewhere. I tried the B74s and liked them. I'm uping it to the b78/b2 for more versatility.
post #2 of 19
I have a new pair of 78's. They do have a raised tail. The 78's are a "one-hit wonder". Made only one year. Rossignol switched back to wood cores, a good thing in my opinion.

The B2's and B78's are nearly the same if not identical. Great ski for what they are designed to do. Nice and light too.
post #3 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thats good to know that the B78 has a raised tail. While I hate the park, I do thoroughly enjoy screwing around skiing backwards from time to time.

I keep reading that the B2 is more for advanced-expert while the B78 is intermediate-advanced. Is that just sloppy marketing or did they change something about the innards of the b78 to tone it down? Or is the B78 really just the B2 with new graphics?
post #4 of 19
From http://www.evogear.com/outlet/skis/r...-b78-2008.aspx ...

The Rossignol Bandit B78 Skis are created specifically for experts who want total versatility. Modeled after the 2007 Rossignol Bandit B2, the B78 excels in powder, crud, and has amazing grip on the hard pack. New for 2008, these skis feature the TPI Free system. This Freeride-specific tool-free integrated ski/binding system allows individual toe and heel control beams to combine in the center with VAS (Visco material that absorbs vibrations). The Axium 120 Bindings feature Performance Geometry, a design that allows the binding to become a performance-enhancing tool. The forward pressure has been increased by 30%, improving rebound and responsiveness. The Elastic Travel is the longest on the market and creates a dramatic improvement in the transfer of power to the snow. Killer advancements in the 2008 Bandit B78 Skis + Axium 120 Bindings go to show that optimal performance and the latest technology are to be expected from the Pure Mountain Company, Rossignol.

B2 info here... http://www.evogear.com/outlet/skis/r...t-b2-2007.aspx

Rossi/Look/Dynastar/Lange was approaching its last days with Quicksilver ownership when the 78's were made, now there are a whole new batch of Rossis coming out with wood cores and World Cup sandwich construction. I am looking forward to trying out a pair of CX80's sometime this year.

Instead of viewing the ski as being designed or marketed to experts or intermediates, take a look at it this way...

I ski mostly at Telluride and Taos. 75% of the time the snow is soft. Thats where these skis excel. They work well in bumps, which is where I spend much of my day. They carve well, but not anything like a carving ski. As mentioned before, they are light...helps alot when hiking. Good to great all around ski.

Whale of a reputation but gracefully heading into the history books.

If you have lots of dough, skip the 78's and get some Phantom 80's...similar only better.

Hope that helps...I got them because I am low on dough and coming out of ACL reconstruction. Seem like a great ski for my new knee.
post #5 of 19
One other thing...on the 78's, the heel and toe pieces can be moved forward (hardpack) or back (Powder) a few centimeters with just a flick of a lever. Handy for for sure. Kinda like 3 skis in 1.
post #6 of 19
Thread Starter 
thanks, I really appreciate your help!

Thats an interesting feature of those axium bindings that Ive never heard about. my other worry was that I couldn't find any info on the bindings and so I had assumed they were crappy stuff typical of bundles. But i guess youre using them and theyre in fact light.
post #7 of 19
I would guess that Goode carbon fiber skis are lighter, and some AT skis, not much else though...very light.

The Axiums are made by Look...can't get much better than that. They are not as good as Axials...but I don't care. I set my din at 7, don't need too beefy of a binding.

My guess is that some lawyer in the legal department told Rossi to keep the lid on the moveable bindings so as to limit liability in the event someone goofs up and gets hurt. Its simple though...nothing to fear.

The 78's can be had for around 300-400...get a bargain and spend your money on boots that fit WELL. Boots are WAY more important than skis.
post #8 of 19
not sure if this is why you started this thread, but I am pretty sure that I saw the 78s on Tramdock w/ binding for 300 today...
post #9 of 19
B78 and B2...

The B78 is a B2 with an integrated binding.

The same ski, with the requisite Rossi top sheet change. Across the line Rossi had a top sheet change.

B94=B4=B3=XXX=Bandit and so forth

B83= B3


Our rep assured there were "subtle yet significant" differences in the line from 06-07 to 07-08.

"subtle yet significant"...I though that was a great line...
It turns out only the topsheets changed.
post #10 of 19
Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
not sure if this is why you started this thread, but I am pretty sure that I saw the 78s on Tramdock w/ binding for 300 today...
You did indeed. I'm sure they'll be back, stuff tends to show up repeatedly. Keep an eye on tramdock if you're still interested, rfii.
post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 
balls, i wanted to switch out the bindings. Oh well cant have it all. Actually Ive never seen tramdock before.
post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 
i actually got them from Evogear for $280. I orginally ordered the B2s but they ran out so they gave me an extra discount.
post #13 of 19
Originally Posted by Skiing-in-Jackson View Post

B94=B4=B3=XXX=Bandit and so forth

B83= B3
Don't forget the Phantom.
post #14 of 19
Do you think I'll be too much for the ski at 220 510 if the ski is a 174 Length
post #15 of 19
What level of skiing do you do, bsummmit?

I have the B2 182 cm and find it to be a great all round ski. I'm 5'11", 195 lbs. I'm an aggressive free skiing/racer type. I ski the fall line wherever I go; the steeper the better. The ski bends pretty easily and is easy to control. I like it a lot. I would find the 174 too short for my style.

post #16 of 19
A 182 might be better for you at your weight. They are not a stiff ski, somewhat soft (great in bumps).  I have a pair of 182's for sale, skied on 15 days, excellent condition-base edge bevelled 1 degree, side edges 3. Waxed nearly every day I skied. PM if interested.
post #17 of 19
Hey how's it going? Hump day.....thinking of the winter in the middle of summer at work. Nothing new right? haha. So like I said I'm 5 10 220, but I'm losing that by ski season in theory. I haven't been on anything longer then a 172. I'm nervous to go to a 182 because I was slow in the tree's last year with my Nordica Ignition and they were basically the same ski, but a little stiffer I'm guessing (haven't been on the b2). I found the B2's in a 174, used 2 times, with a nice binding on them for 140. Thoughts?
post #18 of 19
Buy the 174 and the 182s.  I'm all about variety and choosing the right stick for the day.

Honestly, I don't think the 174 would suit you fo all around skiing because as Snowfan points out, it isn't a stiff ski. You'd probably overflex it in softer snow; the waist would dig into the snow further than you might desire without the proper attention.

In the trees, you don't want to be going faster than what you are willing to hit something at, so slow isn't necessarilly a bad thing.

post #19 of 19

A 182 is 3.14 inches longer than a 174.  That works out to 1.57 inches of ski ahead of your boot, and 1.57 inches behind your boot-on the 182 versus the 174. Not much to sweat over. Most skiers probably could not tell the difference. At your weight, even after you lose a few, a 174 is a bit short. As your skiing improves you would soon want more ski, whereas with the 182, you will ski right into it. Hope that makes some sense to you. The tuning on the ski plays a huge roll in how they feel, and how they ski, maybe more than a 3 inch length difference.

The skis I have for sale are B78's, not B2's. As far as I know, the main difference is that the bindings on the 78's can be moved forward and back about 2 inches. On a powder day you might be inclined to move your foot back to get more float, on an icy day, move your foot forward a bit for more precise carving.

I really enjoyed these skis this past season. They worked very well for me in bumps, and in powder up to 12" or so.  About mid-season, I planed the sidewalls and bevelled the edges....WOW, what a difference. These are not a "carving" ski, but they carve quite well. Very versatile. I skied comfortably anywhere I went, at any speed.  Some folks consider these skis "noodles" but I did not find them to be like that.

I recieved your pm and will respond asap.

Masteresracer...I am going to send you a pm...been wanting to do some racing, maybe you can point me in the right direction.
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