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race stock vs. stock

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
hey
i am looking to buy some new short turn skis. last two years i skied mostly on the fischer rx fire, which really were a lot of fun to ski especially for pure carving turns.

i am expert skier, 6'1 and around 215 pounds (used to play prof. ice hockey and still doing a lot of sports).

i am interested in the new 2009 völkl racetiger sl orig. worldcup ski or in the völkl racetiger sl. (option would also be the fischer sc wc or sl)

now i would like to know any recommendation/feedback regarding races stock skis versus stock skis in general and also regarding the skis i mentioned. i have never skied on an orig. worldcup ski.
i like a sandwich ski and i need the ski for hard and sometimes icey conditions. (austrian alps)

Thanks for any input.
post #2 of 13
race ski will perform better (if the "driver" can perform to that level as well) if not the flex, and edge hold will kick the shit out of you.

If you are on your game, 100%, it will be fine, but if you relax, or let the ski go, it will take you for a ride.

A true WC ski is made for one thing: For some of the best skiers in the world to get onto the podium.
post #3 of 13
Do you have a racing background? If not I'd avoid actual race skis, consumer race/carve versions will provide enough performance since it doesn't sound you intend on actually racing in icy rutted courses with them.
post #4 of 13
mtlion is dead on; If I may add that all that adds up a lot of work over a few hours. Most mortals don't ski on that level of ski all day. It's like driving a race car, fast and precise but bumpy, rigid and any small mistakes get magnified.
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
thanks for your feedback.

i don't think i will go into racing. but i need the ski to ski around 3 hours on hard and icey (sometimes not natural snow) conditions, where i just go down the hills in middle long carving turns. i do a around 20 runs

i have other skis if conditions are different. but for mentioned purpose i would like to have a ski that has a lot of repound and has superior hedge grip.

the only problem is that it is hard to find race stock skis to demo here in austria.
as i said the fischer rx fire in 165 was really a great carving ski, built like the world cup sc but with only 12m radius. also hedge grip was very good, but they don't make them this year. now i was wondering if i can beat these skills of the ski with a race stock ski.
post #6 of 13
Just to poke in and give a piece of advice, don't get confused by the Volkl lineup, as there are 3 SL skis that they have, 1 stock, 2 racestock. The stock ski is obviously consumer level, and the racestock skis come in racestock and wc flexes. When it comes down to it, it is really how hard you want to ski. The stock and racestock flex are fairly similar, but the stock will give more comfort over control. The same goes for the WC stock, but they are much stiffer than the stock skis.
post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by marcaurel_121 View Post
as i said the fischer rx fire in 165 was really a great carving ski, built like the world cup sc but with only 12m radius. also hedge grip was very good, but they don't make them this year. now i was wondering if i can beat these skills of the ski with a race stock ski.
Forget race-stock. It's not fun, it's work.

They are made for racing, not what you want to do with them.

Try Dynastar Contact 4x4.
post #8 of 13
can NO ONE will have them for demo. race skis are again for racing, you are given them as an athlete, not a try to buy for public.

Like fight club. If you have to ask you shouldn't be on them
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
i just looked on the völkl usa site and the skis i am talking about is the "racetiger sl race stock" versus the "racetiger sl racing".

here in austria völkl does not even mention the race stock version on their homepage. but in the us they do. so i guess it is just a modified stock ski. anyway i do like the construction of the race stock ski better than the racing. just not sure about the difference in performance of these skis.
post #10 of 13
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Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
If you have to ask you shouldn't be on them
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by marcaurel_121 View Post
i just looked on the völkl usa site and the skis i am talking about is the "racetiger sl race stock" versus the "racetiger sl racing".

here in austria völkl does not even mention the race stock version on their homepage. but in the us they do. so i guess it is just a modified stock ski. anyway i do like the construction of the race stock ski better than the racing. just not sure about the difference in performance of these skis.
If you can get them over there, check out some of the Head 'supershape' line... the higher end ones are in the 'modified race stock' category. The regular SS/SS Magnum are great frontside skis for hardpack conditions; a lot of fun at speed and have very good hold. I haven't skied the 'worldcup' or 'speed' models, but I would guess they are even faster, better on ice -- and less forgiving. I haven't skied the RX Fire (or anything remotely comparable by Fischer), so I don't know how they compare.

http://www.head.com/ski/ski.php?region=us&tag=racing

The Dynastar Contacts are great -- I bought a Contact LTD last year that I really like -- but they're built more for versatility than pure speed and edge hold. The "WC" models are their frontside/racing ones...
post #12 of 13
Since you are asking about Volkl's, I have a pair of 2008 Racetiger SL race stock skis. I doubt that they are the full on WC version, although when I got them my rep said they were special ordered. These skis are race machines, & grip great on hard snow & the slalom course. As others have said, they take some energy to enjoy them, but they put a powder like grin on my face when conditions are appropriate. I had Nordicas previously, & I would say the Volkls provide a much snappier ride.

JF
post #13 of 13
I believe the demo shop at the top of the Stubeigh Glacier in Austria has many of the top brands of Race Stock SLs and GSs available. They did when I was there two years ago. James.
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