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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi all-- was hoping for some recomendations for a boot-- medium to medium stiff- sole of about 293-94 or so and width of about 96 mm. Seems like Lange might fit the bill, but it appears most in that width are plug or semi plug (which I really don't understand the implications of save cold/hard connotations).

enjoyed the Krypton series but can't seem to get the right fit--a tad long (maybe 2-3 mm, at most) in a 25 (296) and a little wide/tall in the forefoot (98mm). The 24 is too short and still a little wide. I realize that the Kryptons ski a little differantly flex wise, which I enjoyed, but I am frustrated with the fit. Other than punching/grinding out a 24 and padding the forefoot, am looking for options. Also wouldn't mind trying out a conventional shell.

Am primarily a frontside skier in the east, love bumps but will carve all length turns and let em run when no bumps to be found. While I am no good at rating myself, I am probably a strong 7 or competant 8 (can survive anything but cliffs, can ski most anything else relatively well (if not always most elagantly) in everything but most severe conditions (read thaw/deep freeze on the ungroomed- Mad River on a 15 degree day after a 60 degree rainy day).

Thanks for any thoughts.
post #2 of 18
Wrong thread? I would post this on "Ask the Boot Guys". You'll get the real pros to help you.
post #3 of 18
+1
olylady..perhaps; “right thread wrong forum?”

OP, while you'll get a ton of general recs here, you’ve articulated a good start of a more productive dialog I would suspect over on "Ask the Boot guys".
post #4 of 18
Hi Jshea93,

"Ok", so when you put your foot into the shell(no liner) how much space is behind your heel when your toes just touch the front inside of shell??? and by the way, punching the shell is the right way to got if the smaller size fits.

miketsc
post #5 of 18
^^^
Mike: Jshea93 is the foot of this boot thread
post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by DonDenver View Post
+1
olylady..perhaps; “right thread wrong forum?”

OP, while you'll get a ton of general recs here, you’ve articulated a good start of a more productive dialog I would suspect over on "Ask the Boot guys".
Oops...Ya, know, I'm still quite new at this!
post #7 of 18
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^^^
Mike: Jshea93 is the foot of this boot thread
"sorry bout that" Don, my bad!

miketsc
post #8 of 18
1) odds are the 24 was fine. what was the shell fit like?

2) find a good boot fitter in YOUR area.

3) Trying to fit boots, problem solving over the phone, or online is VERY hard to do. This is not like making a cake by a following a recipe (and I can’t do that either) but more like now to paint (as told by Sevie Wonder)

please read the FAQ in the ask the boot guys area.
post #9 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks. Checked the FAQs and comments in the Ask the Boot Guys thread- should have started there. Will do some more homework and try to find someone good local.
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
Yikes-- Visited a local shop-- got down to a 285 shell (24 mondo) with somewhere around a 94-6 mm last - it was a ladies boot (still a little wide)!!! ( I am a middle aged man with a solid 26.5 and 8.5- 9)

Asked about the Lange WC-- but I don't want a plug ---

I think I could go smaller-- 283?? Tried a 23.5 mondo-- no amount of punching could do that-- arched foot agony-- couldn't even flatten foot out..

I gues my foot is very low volume and narrow-- and I don't want a plug boot. So am told to look at junior race boots and womens high performance,

Can this be!!!

Any suggestions other than ladies or junior race boot!
post #11 of 18
I also have very narrow foot and plug boot was the best thing that ever happened to me! It took my skiing to totally different level! There are two common myths about plug boots:

1. Plug boots are too stiff - so not true! Rossignol makes Extra soft plug which is 120 stiffness index. I do not think that any adult who weights at least 140lb would need something softer. In addition it could be adjusted into 105 stiffness by simply removing upper screw from cuff if desired (could be done by skier at home).

2. "It takes very long time to fit the boot" - not true, skilled boot fitter can do it 2 - 3 sessions at most! It might cost you up to $200, but it worth every penny! You do not even know what you are missing skiing in wide boots! (If you will need to make boots wider in toes - have them punch vs. drill)

3. "Plug boots = cold feet" - not true! If your boots are fitted properly and do not cut circulation you will never have cold feet. You will need to cut out integrated spoiler from the liner for free ride skiing and in addition might need to make calf of the plug more upright (if you are tall and have a small foot). Ask you boot fitter about fore/aft balancing. Sound complicated, but not a big deal.

GET THE PLUG - YOU WILL NEVER REGRET OR GO BACK. It is a MUST for people with heel under 98mm width. It is not only for racers - it is for ultimate fit!
post #12 of 18
told ya 24 will work for ya
you can buy me a beer later for the advice.

get the plug. most boots are a 100 flex in the softest flex avail (Jr plug?)

also the nordica doberman/aggressor

maybe the full tilt? might be too big volume still.
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
Definately owe Mntlion a beer--the guy I worked with spent a lot of time with me-- we went through a lot of boots (mens, womens, juniors), and he seemed to know a lot about the fit of various boots/styles. He even suggested a couple of other shops for certain models, particularly if they would need some shell work, very impressed.

As I have learned to heed the advice here-- I will try various plugs (even juniors) this weekend and see what happens....I am 150 lbs or so, so am hoping I can find an adult flex that works.. the junior shells I tried seemed to have smaller buckles and everything, and just seemed a little flimsy.
post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 

Follow up--- after boot fitting

Well- the shop I went to upon several recomendations (from the other ski shops that could not fit me into anything they sold) put me in a Lange WC 160 (ZA) the 130 flex (92 mm width). I am concerned that I don't need that much boot because I do not race at all-- it also cost me an arm and a leg. Guy seemed to know what he was talking about though, and was quite patient and helpful, and suggested that if I wanted any kind of a consistent and lasting performance fit (which I did)-- I had to go with the Lange. My foot is 90 mm wide. He suggested the Doberman 150 might also fit my foot- but would probably be too stiff. I guess the Doberman 130 is wider than the 150?

He said I was having no problems flexing either the ZA or ZB in the shop (70 degrees), and he could soften either up signifigantly when I came in for future fitting tune ups if I found it too stiff out on the hill. Was actually in a ZB until a protested about too much boot and ended up with the ZA (I think against his preference).

He did suggest I not go down to a 24.5 (my actual measurement is somewhere around a 26.8-9 right foot, 26.5-6 left foot), and was almost adamant about the 25.5. His reasoning was- (1) one finger (less on right foot) shell fit in the 25.5; (2) how snug the 25.5 was across the middle of my foot with all buckles on loosest- including micro adjustment; (3) for reasons of warmth/comfort (I ski all day, and often with small kids); and (4) the fact I don't race/concerns about "over response" of the ski.

Boot feels uncomfortably good. The hold feels magnificent--(there is even room to wiggle toes up and down) but it is definately a LOT snugger than anything else I have ever put on my foot. He suggests we can work out the existing nerve pinches (relatively minor after several hours in the shop) and the hot spots that are sure to arise after I ski the boot for a bit. I was forewarned about the possibility of several short outings while we fit this boot. But he did suggest we would not have to do too much-- I suspect largely because we went with the 25.5 instead of the 24.5 (which were much more uncomfortable out of the box-- and would probably have needed a good bit of toe and width/instep work). Also suggested I ski without the spoiler, or with it high. He did some things (a good bit of tinkering) to the zeppa??? and other areas of the boot which I did not understand a bit.

While it is probably not fair to him to ask all of you to second guess him with the minimal information I have provided, my lack of experience with boots causes me concern enough to just inquire if he was WAY OFF. Thus, my question-- while I am a good aggressive skier-- do I really need a full race plug boot of this caliber- or am I the victim of a "sell as much boot as possible to a rube"? If it is a good boot for me, should I have sucked it up and gone with the 24.5- which I suspect could have been made to be the best fitting boot--but probably a full race fit?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.


Thanks!
post #15 of 18
There are other reasons not to go too small, even if punching can make it work.

The ankle rivet will change location relative to your foot. This may or may not be ok. IMO, the off-the-shelf boot that requires the least amount of work is the best.

That being said, my boots are like exoskeletons. They are certainly the wrong shell size, but they were made to fit. I wish I had a touch more room, and I think the rivet is not quite in the right place. Thank you e-bay!

A good bootfitter is better than all the on-line help you'll ever get.

The problems you can encounter when punching are that the lateral axis of the foot relative to the boot sole can be changed. This can be either a goot thing or a bad thing, but in general, I'd steer clear of any sort of boot that requires a LOT of punching.
post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
There are other reasons not to go too small, even if punching can make it work.

The ankle rivet will change location relative to your foot. This may or may not be ok. IMO, the off-the-shelf boot that requires the least amount of work is the best.

That being said, my boots are like exoskeletons. They are certainly the wrong shell size, but they were made to fit. I wish I had a touch more room, and I think the rivet is not quite in the right place. Thank you e-bay!

A good bootfitter is better than all the on-line help you'll ever get.

The problems you can encounter when punching are that the lateral axis of the foot relative to the boot sole can be changed. This can be either a goot thing or a bad thing, but in general, I'd steer clear of any sort of boot that requires a LOT of punching.
The fitter also noted that he did not like the cuff height on the 24.5-- too low (I presume for the type of skiing I told him I enjoyed).
post #17 of 18
Actually probably for the length of your leg.
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
Actually probably for the length of your leg.
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