EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › General Skiing Discussion › A Plea To Members & Aircraft / Fighterplane Discussion
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

A Plea To Members & Aircraft / Fighterplane Discussion - Page 3

post #61 of 83
A couple of other aircraft buffs out there.


Then there was the YF12 interceptor, a "fighter" variant of the SR71.
Ref materials here: http://www.wvi.com/~lelandh/yf12~1.htm





TomK - Aircraft model builder in my youth.
post #62 of 83
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gill:
Yep - The F111 is a cool plane! So was the F4 Phantom. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This will date me, but the attached is the Phantom I flew during reconnaissance competition in Southern Germany. Ahh - well it would be if I could figure out how to attach a JPEG. Any help out there? rick p
post #63 of 83
As another plane buff I just wanted to add my favorite SR-71 trivia bit. The plane actually leaked gas when it was sitting on the runway, the skin would heat up so much during flight that it was designed with spaces to allow it to expand.
post #64 of 83
Scott O
yeah that was kind of interesting trivia. it leaked so much fuel that it could only stay airborne for about 15 minutes so it had to refuel right away. Apparently they have a tanker in the air waiting for it.

My tie in to aircraft [img]smile.gif[/img] The first time I was fasinated with these cool aircraft was the first time I saw an SR 71 come over the ridge at Tahoe standing at the top of Mount Lincoln at Sugar bowl. I happened to see it before I heard the boom..
post #65 of 83
My tie into war planes came from a summer spent teachiong sailing at a camp in Morehead North Carolina. There's a Marine air base nearby and I was sailing along one day when a couple Harriers lifted off over a ridge (vertically) and hovered there for a second before pivoting in unison and blasting away. A very impressive site indeed. I've been hooked ever since. I love going down to VA Beach and seeing all the F14's, F117's, and the occassional A6 fly around there.

I also heard that the titanium composite skin of the SR71 had to be loose fitting in order to allow for the heat expansion when going fast. The plane leaked JP7 or some other exotic kerosene based fuel like a sive when on the ground.

It'll be interesting to see what the next generation of high speed (trans-sonic or hypersonic) planes use as fuel. I've heard a lengthy debate between a hydrogen based fuel and a methane based fuel. Apparently the plane will get soo hot in hypersonic flight that even the exotic kerosene based stuff would ignite in the tanks.

Skiing tie it - with teh trickle down thoery in effect, passenger planes will eventually become faster and faster with the engine advances, thereby making it quicker for all of us to travel to our favorite ski destinations. Imagine D/C to Vancouver in 30 minutes!!! Whistler, here I come!
post #66 of 83
The YF-12 or A-12 was actually the concept that lead to the SR-71. The original designs were to create a mach 3 interceptor to get Russian bombers (ie the Backfire) before they could get close enough to the target to do any damage with nukes. It did not work out very well, they were able to lauch missiles, but YF-12 flew faster than the bullets they could shoot out of any gun mounted onboard. Also the advent of ICBMs kind of minimized the longrange bomber threat. A couple of the A-12 built were eventually used to build SR-71s. JP 7 is an interesting fuel, it is so thermally stable and has such a high flash point that you can put out a match, or propane tourch with it. The only way they got it to light in the engines was to use the heat from a chemical reaction with TEB (can't remember the whole name) which would cause a small green fireball when the engines lit.
Just the construction of the aircraft pushed the boundaries of materials sceince and manufacturing to incredible levels thanks to the Skunk Works and Kelly Johnson. I need to look around and find the SR site that has an amazing amount of info, including the disposition of all airframes built for the Senior Crown program

The Blk 50/52 F-16 is indeed primarily used for SEAD, but can be used in most other F-16 roles. They don't think of themselves as better than the F-4 Wild Weasel, but as the next step in the evolution of the WW family, the history and traditon are important to the SEAD units. It is an icredibly capable platform doing an important, but extremely insane mission.

That leads to my conection between flying and skiing, ( I like the earlier comparision between the two by the way). I have the oppurtunity to spend a few years skiing in Europe because of combat aircraft, my day to day job is maintenance on the falcon here in Germany.

Todd, as for the blk 55 I don't know anything about it, but there are getting to be way too many Blocks to keep track of. I have heard about the Glass Falcon upgrade, and know it is one of Lockheed Martin's selling points on the new Blk 60s.
post #67 of 83
dchan - I forgot to address your question about the Falcon 4.0 sim. Yes, it allows for blackouts and for redouts. The redouts are pretty wild. I wonder if everything really does turn red when it occurs (in "real" life).

I agree that Falcon 4.0 is pretty simple. I've been thinking about Janes F15, but looked through the flight manual. HOLY CRAP it's kinda thick!!!
post #68 of 83
Gill,
You got it. Thick manual. almost need flight training... I spent hours just to make a sucessful takeoff without crashing. First run off the deck, straight down into the water. me and my cousin were ROFL. I still don't know what all the buttons do. I have the F16 flight stick with the weapons control/throttle and still keep punching all the wrong buttons. its fun though [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #69 of 83
Todd, sorry!
I didn't mean to spank you (neither by hand nor with a porcupine )
but to me, the difference seemed important, as other have added, the F111
role (with the exception of the EF-111) is/was the same as the MRCA-Tornado IDS(not the F-3
ADV variant the RAF uses as interceptor)...deep strike into Warsaw-pact territory...
I grew up under the American Nuclear umbrella, living in a border region, waiting
for the enemy hordes to come, and the difference makes a lot...(maybe this has to be moved to
the inernational forum, but I'd rather let the matter rest)

Hey!, thanks Lisamarie, I'm blushing, no one has said that to me (or about me) in a looong time

Paul, yes they meant to give it to me, but after they saw YOU...


MarkP....What do you mean "European"???? That from someone living in UK!
Anyway it's a marketing ploy, to sell my skiing system, NS (for Naked-Skiing)...
post #70 of 83
I went to high school in Germany, under the same nuclear umbrella you did. And Reagan was in office when I was there - and we were not very popular with the German nationals at that point. I hope things are better now.

Jane's F-15 is a serious sim, lots of fun though if you put the time in. I don't think its possible to really get everything out of it without an external throttle quadrant and 3-axis sim specialized joystick.
post #71 of 83
Todd
I understand how you'd have felt,
but those feelings were specially directed towards everyone wearing an uniform...american or not.
post #72 of 83
Or even professing the intention to wear one...Personally, things have always been "better"
Now, there are cultural differencies between
Americans and Europeans (and amongst Europeans too, my family is living proof of that) but what would be life without that?
Really dull.
post #73 of 83
Matteo, having seen a few of your photos, I'm sure you are simply being modest! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #74 of 83
No agree Matteo - the difference are what makes it fun. And thats why America is great and we must resist those who would homogonize us.
post #75 of 83
Hi Lisamarie!
I still regret not having come to
Bormio to meet you and Mark (your hubby
has the same christian name as my firstborn, what a coincidence!)
But I didn't want to force my presence upon you, so I never proposed it...
Next time!
Now I'll carry my tired bones to bed...
Good-whatevertimeofthedayiswhereallofyouare
Ciao!
post #76 of 83
Matteo,
I was just being tongue in cheek there... Prefer Blue myself....
post #77 of 83
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Matteo:

...What do you mean "European"???? That from someone living in UK!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The UK's in Europe : get away, next you will be trying to tell us Micheal Jackson is black.
post #78 of 83
MarkP, no offence taken (and I hope no offence given)

DB, Jackson who? [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #79 of 83
Slider,

Love that photo. :
post #80 of 83
[quote]Originally posted by deepcreek:
The YF-12 or A-12 was actually the concept that lead to the SR-71. The original designs were to create a mach 3 interceptor to get Russian bombers (ie the Backfire) before they could get close enough to the target to do any damage with nukes. It did not work out very well, they were able to lauch missiles, but YF-12 flew faster than the bullets they could shoot out of any gun mounted onboard.

Uhhhh...hey Physics Man, a little help please on the plane flying faster than the bullets it shoots from guns mounted on the plane?????????
post #81 of 83
irul
[img]smile.gif[/img]
sure looks like that's what he said.

I think it meant any other gun shooting at it..
post #82 of 83
Actually, i think he's right about the bullets. Once a bullet is fired, it has no means of self propultion (just the initial bang that got it going). At the kind of speeds these planes fly, the amount of air friction is massive and begins to immediately slow the bullets. As a result, it is possible for the plane to fly into it's own stream of bullets.

Now rockets/missles are a different story.
post #83 of 83
Thanks Gill, that sums it up well. Guess I should have been a bit more clear.
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: General Skiing Discussion
EpicSki › The Barking Bear Forums › On the Snow (Skiing Forums) › General Skiing Discussion › A Plea To Members & Aircraft / Fighterplane Discussion