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Tough Luv or Lotta for wife?

post #1 of 23
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Hi all;
Looking for advise between these two skis for my wife as a Christmas present. She's 5' and a true expert skier. She has shown interest in getting a ski for our anual trip to Colorado. A true powder ski isn't right, as we are on the front side as much as the back side. Her present quiver is: Rosi B2 Womens, (150),
Volkl Attiva 4 star, (148), Rosi Bandit X Womens, (can't remember length), rock skis.

The new ski would have to be reasonable on pack as that's where we usually end up at after lunch.

I just don't want to get her a ski that's similar to what she already has. Comments?
post #2 of 23
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Originally Posted by C.B. View Post
Hi all;
Looking for advise between these two skis for my wife as a Christmas present. She's 5' and a true expert skier. She has shown interest in getting a ski for our anual trip to Colorado. A true powder ski isn't right, as we are on the front side as much as the back side. Her present quiver is: Rosi B2 Womens, (150),
Volkl Attiva 4 star, (148), Rosi Bandit X Womens, (can't remember length), rock skis.

The new ski would have to be reasonable on pack as that's where we usually end up at after lunch.

I just don't want to get her a ski that's similar to what she already has. Comments?
How much does she weigh?...at five-foot, probably not much. I'm five-foot, six-inches tall and weigh between 130 and 135. My current favorite true all mountain ski is the Apache Recon in 163, the men's version of the Lotta Luvs. I purchased some demo Tough Luvs at the end of last year to replace my Nordica Beasts for powder...my trainer at Squaw loves hers. As an expert skier, I think she'll out-ski the Lotta's, plus they're a little narrow under-foot. The Phat Luv could work at 135/102/121...they're not too wide and still have some shape. The Tough's would be more versatle at 124/88/111, so that seems like the way to go. It's nice that K2 women's skis come in short lengths (149, 156, 163, and 170). The waist and mounting of the bindings are slightly moved forward as well.
post #3 of 23
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Originally Posted by olylady View Post
How much does she weigh?...at five-foot, probably not much. I'm five-foot, six-inches tall and weigh between 130 and 135. My current favorite true all mountain ski is the Apache Recon in 163, the men's version of the Lotta Luvs. I purchased some demo Tough Luvs at the end of last year to replace my Nordica Beasts for powder...my trainer at Squaw loves hers. As an expert skier, I think she'll out-ski the Lotta's, plus they're a little narrow under-foot. The Phat Luv could work at 135/102/121...they're not too wide and still have some shape. The Tough's would be more versatle at 124/88/111, so that seems like the way to go. It's nice that K2 women's skis come in short lengths (149, 156, 163, and 170). The waist and mounting of the bindings are slightly moved forward as well.
Somewhere ~ 115, I think. She's very athletic, lots of muscle....teaches aerobics as an aside from her regular job, (engineer).

I tend to agree with the Tough Luvs, it would still work on the groomers.
post #4 of 23
Note that the Tough Luv is a heavy, damp ski.

Consider also the Volkl Aura. If you do a search, you'll see it's versatile and pretty highly regarded. As safe a bet as any for an un-demoed, gift ski.
post #5 of 23
If I were you, and going for a ski that will wow her, I'd go for the Volkl Fuego for a front side Ripper, and/or Volkl Aura for a phenomenal Powder, fun, everywhere else mind blowing fun ski!
post #6 of 23
I always thought you were suppose to use tough love on your kids, not you wife (unless she has an addiction to something like booze, drugs, gambling or ski gear.)
post #7 of 23
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I always thought you were suppose to use tough love on your kids, not you wife (unless she has an addiction to something like booze, drugs, gambling or ski gear.)

And this post is useful to me why?
post #8 of 23
As one who skis K2 women's skis and is close in size to your wife, I would recommend the Lotta Luv as somewhat more versatile than the Tough Luv, because the Lotta has a somewhat narrower profile, though both excel in snow vs on snow, where the Tough excels in more snow than the Lotta, and the Phat excels in even more snow.

The shortest length in the Recon is 163, which could be a bit long. I am skiing 156 in the latest K2 models, which is like a 160 in other brands because of the way K2 measures length vs other brands.
post #9 of 23
I've never skied a Volkl...never had the right connections, so I really can't judge, but the Feugo's seem a bit narrow at 121/73/105. If you want to go with a Volkl, the Aura's look like a better choice at 130/94/113, but the shortest length is 156.

Here's my .02 on heavy skis. For me, most women's skis tend to be too light and squirrelly overall. I like heavier, softer flexing, but torsionally stiff, damper skis that I know I can depend on and are solid under my feet.
post #10 of 23
I've skied neither, but I have some general comments.

The Lotta Luv has very similar dimensions to the B2Ws, and the K2 feel is similar to the Rossignol. That's not where I'd put my money.

My question is, between the B2Ws or the Attiva 4 star, which feel does she prefer? My wife found the B2Ws unremarkable, but fell in love with the Dynastar Exclusive Legend -- similar dimensions, same parent company, totally different feel.

If she likes the damper Rossi feel, the Tough Luv might be a good option, although obviously, the Rossi equivalent (whatever they're calling it this year) could be a good choice too.

If she likes the livelier Volkl feel, she may like a livelier wider ski. The Volkl Aura has been mentioned, and the Queen Attiva (or whatever its 80-something-mm waist replacement is) might be a good choice. Outside the Volkl line, Dynastar might be an excellent option as well. Last March, I bought my wife a pair of 85mm-wide Exclusive Legend Powders to complement her 75mm-wide Exclusive Legends and her 95mm-wide Phat Luvs. She barely touched her other skis for the rest of the season.
post #11 of 23
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Thanks all!!
This is great info...keep it coming.

This will be pretty much for out West, not here in the East. Maybe in the spring or on those rare powder days. It's strictly frivolous and something I'm sure she'll enjoy but wouldn't spend the money on for herself. I'm looking for a great all-around, Western, one-ski quiver ski, (does that make sense?).

We go to Vail for a week in early Feb every year, so you know what conditions we encounter. Handling the bowls, crud after it's all chopped up and the frontside groomers. I'm thinking the 94s will be a tad wide for any turning enjoyment.

I bought a pair of Rosi B83s last year and really enjoyed them in Vail.
post #12 of 23
My wife skis the 151 Lotta Luv's as her bump skis and likes them a lot. Tramdoc keeps posting the Rossi B3w with bindings for $300.
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by nolo View Post
As one who skis K2 women's skis and is close in size to your wife, I would recommend the Lotta Luv as somewhat more versatile than the Tough Luv, because the Lotta has a somewhat narrower profile, though both excel in snow vs on snow, where the Tough excels in more snow than the Lotta, and the Phat excels in even more snow.

The shortest length in the Recon is 163, which could be a bit long. I am skiing 156 in the latest K2 models, which is like a 160 in other brands because of the way K2 measures length vs other brands.
nolo, do you think that the Lotta's at 119/78/105 would be "great" in powder and crud? Here on the west coast our "powder" is often heavy and thick, the Tough Luvs seem like they would be better off-piste at 124/88/111. But I guess C.B.'s wife will be in Colorado, so that might not be an issue.

alpinedad, I had a pair of Dynastar Legends...I liked them a lot for a while. I now have mounted Fritschi AT bindings on them...don't use them very often anymore. Haven't skied a Rossi in a very long time. Most recently I've been on Salomon, Atomic, Nordica, Dynastar, and of course K2.
post #14 of 23
[quote=olylady;986246]nolo, do you think that the Lotta's at 119/78/105 would be "great" in powder and crud? Here on the west coast our "powder" is often heavy and thick, the Tough Luvs seem like they would be better off-piste at 124/88/111. But I guess C.B.'s wife will be in Colorado, so that might not be an issue.

I have the Nordica Olympia Victorys for my everyday ski.
116-74-104 They do great in the crud and on the groomers. I have Phat Luvs for my powder ski but only use those on true powder days. I am not a fan of the fatter skis for everyday use.
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by olylady View Post
nolo, do you think that the Lotta's at 119/78/105 would be "great" in powder and crud? Here on the west coast our "powder" is often heavy and thick, the Tough Luvs seem like they would be better off-piste at 124/88/111. But I guess C.B.'s wife will be in Colorado, so that might not be an issue.

I have the Nordica Olympia Victorys for my everyday ski.
116-74-104 They do great in the crud and on the groomers. I have Phat Luvs for my powder ski but only use those on true powder days. I am not a fan of the fatter skis for everyday use.
Thanks!
Her Rosi B2Ws are 116-78-105. I really want to get her something that's significantly wider but not a powder-only ski. (I'm 10 years older @ 62 and she has to stick with me after I crap out in the deeper stuff and start looking for groomers about noon time . Ya never know, she might have to carry me back).
I'm really getting tempted for the K2 Toughs. Anybody know jst how heavy is heavy? Are these a real beast?
post #16 of 23
I like all the upper end K2 T9s. I am an ambassador for K2, so take that into account. If your wife is a petite expert skier, she can have a great day on any one of them. If you want a one quiver ski for most conditions du jour in Vail, Colorado, the Lotta Luv will not disappoint. The Tough Luv is also a very fun ski, but may not be as versatile for Colorado. For me in Montana the choice between the two models is pretty much a tossup. I love skiing either on any given day. (I most love skiing my Phat Luvs, though, because that means it's deep.)

If we were talking Sierra or Cascade skiing, I'd be more enthusastic about the Tough Luv as the better ski for the conditions du jour in that climate.
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by nolo View Post
I like all the upper end K2 T9s. I am an ambassador for K2, so take that into account. If your wife is a petite expert skier, she can have a great day on any one of them. If you want a one quiver ski for most conditions du jour in Vail, Colorado, the Lotta Luv will not disappoint. The Tough Luv is also a very fun ski, but may not be as versatile for Colorado. For me in Montana the choice between the two models is pretty much a tossup. I love skiing either on any given day. (I most love skiing my Phat Luvs, though, because that means it's deep.)

If we were talking Sierra or Cascade skiing, I'd be more enthusastic about the Tough Luv as the better ski for the conditions du jour in that climate.
Nolo just answered it for you. Now, go get her a phenomenal Christmas present!!!
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by nolo View Post
I like all the upper end K2 T9s. I am an ambassador for K2, so take that into account. If your wife is a petite expert skier, she can have a great day on any one of them. If you want a one quiver ski for most conditions du jour in Vail, Colorado, the Lotta Luv will not disappoint. The Tough Luv is also a very fun ski, but may not be as versatile for Colorado. For me in Montana the choice between the two models is pretty much a tossup. I love skiing either on any given day. (I most love skiing my Phat Luvs, though, because that means it's deep.)

If we were talking Sierra or Cascade skiing, I'd be more enthusastic about the Tough Luv as the better ski for the conditions du jour in that climate.
Is the Lotta Luv too similar to her Rossi B2Ws?

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Originally Posted by C.B. View Post
Thanks!
Her Rosi B2Ws are 116-78-105. I really want to get her something that's significantly wider but not a powder-only ski. (I'm 10 years older @ 62 and she has to stick with me after I crap out in the deeper stuff and start looking for groomers about noon time . Ya never know, she might have to carry me back).
I'm really getting tempted for the K2 Toughs. Anybody know jst how heavy is heavy? Are these a real beast?
Here is an interesting review that I think that you'll find very helpful: http://www.theskidiva.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3002
Marta is only 4'11" and liked the Tough Luvs a lot. I'm not sure about the "weight" thing, as I mentioned above, I prefer heavier skis. The Tough's are the only women specific skis that I own. Since she is an expert skier and is obviously in great shape from teaching her fitness classes, I'd go for it!

(but then again, that's coming from someone that routinely skis Sierra Cement...so in the end, it's your call! )

Happy Christmas shopping...lucky girl!)
post #19 of 23
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Is the Lotta Luv too similar to her Rossi B2Ws?
In a word... yes. No real benefit that I can think of.
post #20 of 23
I've skied on both the Lotta Luv and the Rossi B2W, and even though they are similar, they behave very differently.

I'd take the lotta over the B2W, but I'd take the Volkl Aura over either of those.
post #21 of 23
I ski the Rossi Z11 and I think they are a blast. They have interchangeable arms...1 set for soft snow/powder and another set for groomed snow. With those you can take 1 pair of skis and just change the arms as conditions change. There is a women's version called the Attraxion XI. They are worth looking into.
post #22 of 23
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Thanks all!!!

After lots of consideration and poring through your advise, I called a local shop and they're getting me the K2 Though Luvs for my wife. She's been saying she'd like to try some wider skis, so now she can, (guess she's stuck with 'em).
The woman, (co-owner), at the shop has much good to say about the Luv line. They're ordering them, as there isn't much call for that model here.
I'll report after she skis them.
Thanks all!!!!
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
If I were you, and going for a ski that will wow her, I'd go for the Volkl Fuego for a front side Ripper, and/or Volkl Aura for a phenomenal Powder, fun, everywhere else mind blowing fun ski!
I'd say that's a very good suggestion!
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