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Salomon 305 Demo Bindings

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
At the end of last year I was able to buy Atomic Race 6 Rental skis with Salomon 305 rental bindings for my daughter from one of the local resorts. Though they were older, they had never been skied.

She now has new boots and I want to adjust the boot length for her. Toe is no problem and the mark on the boot lines up with the mark on the ski. I'm not getting the heel/forward pressure adjustment. The numbers on side of the heel don't seem to correspond to anything obvious. I've looked through the 2006 manaul and 2007/8 manual and searched the net.

If the picture worked it shows the numbers 10-21 What do those numbers reference? Is there and indicator window for the arrow at the back of the binding (not the white one)?

post #2 of 15

You can download the Salomon Shop Practices Manual here.

But if you're not comfortable adjusting your kids' skis, take them to a shop.
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 

Thanks. I've gone through those manuals an the year prior. I think the issue is that there are supposed to be stickers on the boots that associate them to corresponding numbers for forward pressure based on some chart. I don't have that chart and I'm not seeing the "Window indicator" they reference either.

I can set it at what I would think is right; toe all the way forward and seated (binding toe wings spread) and the heel binding is in full contact with the heel of the boot. I get the same results with only nuances of differences on 2 or three settings. I'm sure one is correct and the others aren't. I just need to know either, the refernce of the numbers or what to look for to distinguish the settings.

If I can't set it without doubt I will take it to a shop but this should be an easy one. I'm just missing one piece of info.

post #4 of 15
Is that a crack in the gray plastic just below the mounting screw?
post #5 of 15
Thread Starter 
No. I thought it was too but it is on both sides and on both bindings. It's identical in all four locations. I believe it is where the molds meet.
post #6 of 15
Then take the easy way out.

Adjust the toe so that the boot sole center mark matches the center mark on the ski.

Then slide the heel forward as far as it can go without impeding movement of the boot heel.

Then adjust forward pressure. If you can't get forward pressure within range, change the heel position.
post #7 of 15
Originally Posted by alpinedad View Post

Then adjust forward pressure. If you can't get forward pressure within range, change the heel position.
Isn't this what he asked for help with?
post #8 of 15
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by krp8128 View Post
Isn't this what he asked for help with?
I thought it was just me.
post #9 of 15
On p. 22 of that manual, it says:
Pre-2004 Synchro Systems
Older Synchro systems require the use of Synchro Sizing Stickers which give an alpha-numeric code for each boot size . Measure all boots in inventory with the Salomon Boot Sole Measuring Device (Ref. #001189) Fig. J and affix the appropriate Synchro Sizing Sticker to each boot (excluding short mounted Spheric Propulse models).
I don't have a Salomon Boot Sole Measuring Device, so I can't tell you how the letters and numbers on your bindings correlate to BLS in mm.

The 2004-05 manual suggests that the forward pressure window should be visible once the boot is in the ski:
Finger Adjustment Models.
Lift the adjustment loop at the back of the heel and slide the heel forward to the Synchro position indicated or until the binding heel cup contacts the boot heel. Release the loop, push the boot down and check the forward pressure indicator. The silver tab should be visible in the housing window.
That said, the fact that this has an alphanumeric code, instead of a BSL marking, means that you've got a binding that's at least five years old. That's old enough to justify having a shop function test them for you. As part of that, they should set the bindings to fit the boots. Ta-da.
post #10 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I guess what made me think they weren't that old, is that the skis have never been used. Not a mark on them; top or bottom. Even the tech that was behind the counter questioned it when I was buying them. The advantage of being willing to dig through the pile I guess. They also stated that all the skis that were for sale had been gone through and were in good working order. Some were just prettier than others.

I'll bring them to the shop that is grinding my skis and have them set them, check them out and show me. The cost will be worth the piece of mind since these are my daughters and as my wife put it "Her gear is more important than yours."

I really appreciate you looking into this is such detail. I was reading the same things and realized I was missing one piece of the puzzle. You tied it up neatly.

post #11 of 15
No problem.

You've also piqued my interest. I have a pair of kids skis with 305 demos in my garage; I'll take a look at them tonight and see if I have any more insight. I don't think that anything other than the label changed between the 2004 model and subsequent versions, so I'll see if I can find the forward pressure window and take a picture.
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 

I believe I've figured it out

The deal you pull up to slide the heel adjustment back and forth has a metal gauge about 1/2" in front of the black rubber pieces you pull up. The black arrow will or will not line up with the lines (two deep border lines and 4 lighter lines in between them) that are scribed in the gauge depending on the setting.

You have to look from the side at the correct angle.

I tried getting a picture of it but it's a tough angle. The black arrow didn't show up but the red arrow I added (obviously) is pointing to the indicator I'm referring to.

Still going to take them to the shop for a safety check.

Thanks for helping me sort this out.
post #13 of 15
Those scribed lines look like the right thing.

Sorry for forgetting to look at mine last night. I'll try tonight, but there's this election to distract me.
post #14 of 15
Thread Starter 
So I went to the shop and they put the skis on the machine and they passed with flying colors.

However, though I do respect all the professional techs out there, it annoys me when I hear people say "Take them to the professional." You shouldn't touch your own bindings." and then have to show the professional how the bindings work!

Granted he was young and these bindings were designed when he was still in middle school. The point is that you can't blindly trust someone working in a ski shop.

The bindings definitely needed to be put on a machine to be checked. I'm just venting because I had to listen to this "Ski Professional" at work tell me I was being negligent for touching my daughter's bindings.

I've yet to understand how people think it is OK to adjust bike brakes in their basement so their kid can ride on the street but not ski bindings. You have to know what you are doing for each but every day people do things much riskier than adjust bindings and think nothing of it.

Sorry. Had to get it off my chest.
post #15 of 15
As someone who adjusts my kids' bindings myself, I'm 100% behind you.
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